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#1 kiran

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 04:08 PM

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I'm still not convinced that there is such a thing as systemic Candida causing digestive problems, neither is 99 percent of the medical community that thinks its quackery (if there was real links, trust me they would love to manufacture rX drugs to address it).Many of the Candida diets though address something that is really real, SIBO. Worth a read for those that feel fatigue, bloating, flatuence or D http://www.medicinen...rticle.htm#tocb


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#2 Motive

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:09 PM

eh, when i first started having problems i went to a doctor who thought it was sibo. Got put on a powerful antibiotics specifically to kill it(flagyl) and it did nothing. all my symptoms continued. Sibo is only in the small intestine and im having problems in the intestines as well as liver, thyroids, adrenal, sinuses and colon. Though i think the candida is mostly in the small intestine. Though in most cases people who think they have candida have other conditions, im certain thats what my problem is. Never heard or read of someone with more definate signs of candida than i have. Though i have some symptoms that are not usual for candida so Theres probably something else lurking that i havent identified yet. Iv read of a few people who started out treating candida and felt better but didnt fully recover until they cured the thing that weakened their immune system in the first place to let candida grow (SIBO and H. Pylori are the two i remember) But yes 99.9 or the products on the market for candida are quackery and useless. Long hard research will turn up useful things though. And you say they'd love to make pharmesuticals but its widely accepted and i heard it right from the Mayoclinic that Almost every sinus infection is caused by fungus yet all the nose sprays, antibiotics, decongestants on the market that are perscribed for sinus infections do nothing to fungus and some actually make it worse. How do you explain that?

#3 kiran

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:52 AM

http://www.scienceda...90528142833.htm --- obviously I dont know I just think its kinda interesting that the diet that helps SIBO http://altmedicine.a...vergrowth_2.htm isnt that far from the Candida diet.Couldnt this explain why something as simple as probiotics helped some people on this board? or why garlic that kills bacteria and not yeast helps people who think they have candida?

#4 Motive

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 06:37 PM

Garlic does kill yeast, first off. Its one of the most potent anti fungals in existence. If you are that off on your facts about garlic i tend to believe your other facts are off as well. Some people undoubtedly do have and mistake candida for what is actually SIBO but candida isn't some kind of made up scifi enigma. Research by the mayo clinic links jock itch, atheletes foot, almost every single sinus infections(as well as the many other common symptoms of overgrowth) to candida albicans. Fact. If you have candida in yoru sinuses, then simply breathing brings candida into your lungs and then into the blood stream. Its not hard to see how it gets systemic. Confirmed cases of people with candida so bad that they would become drunk from ingesting sugary foods(candida turns what it eats into alcohol and other toxins.) If you take antibiotics and SIBO doesnt go away or (as in my case) Your problems arose when you took antibiotics, it is obviously not sibo. I talk regularly with a yeast infection DOCTOR who knows for a fact that candida is real and gives me great advice. He has never once tryed to sell me a thing or pitch a product. He himself overcame candida and helps other do the same now. You think he'd read and respond to emails all day regarding a subject that was made up? He too agrees that it is a wide spread problem affecting MANY many people regardless of it being largely overlooked and undiagnosed by as you say 99% of medical professionals. Anyway, I'm still making steady progress and i urge others to hang in there with your diets and suppliments. You wont need to take them forever just until you are well. The Body odor will be the first thing you overcome as the LeakyGut heals and the organs become healthier. The LeakyGas will fade away with a little more time. The good news is that cheating after the FBO is gone for a few weeks doesnt seem to make it come back or anything. My LG and regular gas and bloating will flare up after i cheat for a day or two but i begin making progress again after those two days. Stay positive! It goes a long way =)

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 12:05 AM

My health has been excellent Until one day I started having symptoms,headaches, chills, fever, nausea, and pressure in my abdomen. General discmfort in my abdomen on the right side and sometime under the rib cage not pain just pressure, my entire body felt achey, My weight fell from 110 to 99 and I'm 5'5. Along with many sleepless nights from the discomfort can quickly turn your whole life upside down! I was so sick I thought my life was drawing to a close, quick get the attorney, draw up a will! :) Anyhow, my dr ran every test imaginable,H.pylori, Lymes, STD, parasite check, blood work,ultrasound, hormonal check, cat scan. The dr just decided we should try Cipro there was no diagnosis. Cipro has fluoride in it, I had inflammed tendons, one of the side effects of Cipro which can literally snap your tendons. Finally went for endoscopy/colonscopy, all negative, the the young GI doctor thought it was "Anxiety" First off, I work from home writing while watching my cat peer out my office window and when she meows around 2ish I go running to feed her. I'm a vegan, we do yoga, meditation,and we have hav a cool zen lifestyle style . I have zero anxiety! Perhaps, in medicine when they run out of answers you send them to a counselor for their imaginary sickness. I'm sure they see a nut or two. But this is completely unwarranted in my case. After,seven month still undiagnosed, I went to a Nautropathic clinic professor/ GI ND. I took the Hydrogen Breath test and on my SECOND visit I was diagnosed with Small intestinal Bacterial overgrowth, SIBO. The test revealed a high level of bacteria and the dr said it would of even been higher if I had not been taking high doses of garlic. I can only imagine how high the bacteria would of been and how much more pain and suffering I would of had to endure. I wonder about the SIBO diagnosis could it be actually Candida overgrowth? During early onset of SIBO eyes itched a little and my tears ducts really started to itch like crazy then after antibiotics my skin broke out bad with little bumps it on one side of my face and jawline which indicates digestion issues according to my friend. Then I had a bad headache for three days and had to have some dental work done, my dentist diagnosed me with sinus infection after he saw the x-rays I had both of those things happen after a couple weeks natural antibiotics . Anyhow my skin has totally flipped out, I usually have clear skin Back to the ND for the rash, so the Nautropathic doctor prescribed four weeks of the following: Garlic (Allicin) Berberine, Oregano oil and peppermint . Here are the doses: take 3 Allicin garlic tablets, 3 Berberine tablets, 3 times a day plus. take 1 oregano tablet ( this is the brand I take Biotics A.D.P) and 1 Enteric coated peppermint tablet ( The brand I take is Mentharil) take three times a day the coating lets capsules pass through the stomach intact and dissolve in the intestines. Peppermint has been clinically proven to help sibo/IBS. I also take nicinamide( B3), and organic virgin coconut oil twice aday and zinc ( take on a full stomach or it will make you sick) which kills bacteria . I also take tons of probiotics alone on any empty stomach 3 to 4 times a day. This will help ward off sinus infection, skin rash, yeast infection etc... I strongly believe that adding the peppermint tablet is what really did it trick, peppermint kills bacteria fast. Anyhow, my rash started to quickly disappear and the sinus infection was getting better. Drinking alkalized water helps we have a machine in our house that does that, but to alkalize water is simple just add 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in a glass of water drink it three times a day . All of ths things I've listed have helped me tremendously all my symptoms have subsided. Plus I'm on a dairy free, sugar free and gluten free diet. The last thing that is worth mentioning is that one day when sick with SIBO I had some symptoms coming on, I put seven drop of grapefruit seed extract in glass of water and drank it dowm my symptoms subsided, I could actually leave the house. The smartest thing to do is first get diagnosed because how you kill candida which is a fungus, is different than how you would kill bacteria or a virus or a parasite. I'm sure that something might exist that might kill all four at the same time. I'm coming up to the ten month mark and my SIBO symptoms have fallen away. I wonder if SIBO can be related to appendicitis inflammation...an appendix that sometimes inflames and then subsides, and release bacteria into your system, however it never gets bad enough for it to be on the radar. One of good friends is an ER doctor and I told him that I had SIBO, small intestinal bacteria overgrowth and he goes, "what is that..I've never heard of it?" I guess medical doctors are not trained to recognize symptoms of SIBO, that is so sad. Going through what I call the "SIBO Saga" can really make frustrated, and wear you down, it certainly has made me have greater understanding and compassion for people who have chronic illnesses.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 05:06 PM

My doctors have been worse than useless when it comes to IBS - I brought in a couple of journal articles about SIBO and its links to IBS and they told me it wasn't a recognised condition (this is the NHS). Unfortunately I can't afford to see a private specialist...Can SIBO be treated entirely with natural remedies? I was told by my girlfriend that zinc is good for IBS (she gets it from time to time - I just seem to get a lot of wind and abdominal pain pretty much every day and have to really restrict my diet to avoid it). I'm also taking enteric peppermint oil capsules and VSL3 probiotics. As for Candida - while yeast in the digestive system may have a role in IBS it seems like a lot of the info about Candida on the internet is dubious - e.g. the idea that mushrooms must be avoided (even though its an entirely different type of fungus) and the diagnosis of Candida overgrowth through a spit test. The symptoms of Candida overgrowth seem to encompass pretty much everything too - and a lot of the pro candida websites want people to take a variety of strange supplements and clays which are to be purchased direct from them. It just looks a bit dubious to me and there doesn't seem to be much about systemic candida in the medical literature (at least SIBO seems to have some solid evidence behind it - but why won't my doctor listen?!)

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 07:36 PM

You are correct, there is a lot of dubious information online regarding candida. Part of the reason is because some of these alternative health doctors are "quacks" (e.g. the ones who perform dark-field blood test); alternative medicine is not as heavily regulated as conventional medicine. So you have to keep your guards up when researching on candida. Conventional medical doctors don't know much about IBS because it's not an actual disease. It's a disorder that is diagnosed after ruling out all others.If you are going to try a candida cleanse, try to cut out all sugar and refined starches. As for supplement, I recommend Kyolic aged garlic extract. It is a lot less expensive than VSL3, which I have tried as well. And for probiotic, look into DDS-1 strain of L. Acidophilus. Hope this helps!





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