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#1 gigz89

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 01:16 AM

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My symptoms
  • Fecal odor leaks out without me knowing it. Other people's reaction to it alerts me that the incident took place.
  • Anus feels loose, so every so often, I have to contract my sphincters to try to correct it.
  • Holding in stool causes more incidents to take place. I think the smell of it is not comparable to flatulence because it's like as if I placed my stool right out in the open.
  • Before my surgery to get my recto-rectal intussusception fixed, sitting on couches and cushions was a nightmare because my anus would feel super "relaxed" and wet.
TheoriesI have always had a bad posture (being hunched over most of the time): could this have caused my pelvic muscles to become weak?


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Posted 19 January 2011 - 01:56 AM

Well, you've got part of your answer in the partial rectal prolapse there, which makes your fecal odor more understandable than ours. I've gotten a defecography, and the results were normal.What I know, is that caffeine relaxes the sphincter muscles.Hemorrhoids and polyps can also cause the internal anal sphincter to relax.There have been cases of an over relaxing internal anal sphincter, which is hypothesized to be the cause of some cases of idiopathic fecal incontinence.We don't have voluntary control over the internal anal sphincter.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 02:52 AM

I Agree with the caffeine part. Anyways, I don't know if this problem is muscle-related or caused by an infection, hemorrhoid, etc.What I do know is that when my anus feels loose and I contract the external sphincter, after I stop contracting it, I feel something descending down in the region above my scrotum and anus. It's hard to explain, but it's like this: imagine that whatever this thing is, it is like an elevator- when I contract my sphincters, the elevator rises, and when I stop contracting the elevator descends.If I leave this "elevator" descending for too long without contracting my sphincters, I start to feel uncomfortable with my anus becoming loose. Also, while I'm holding in stool, the "elevator" becomes harder to pull up, causing an uncomfortable feeling of knowing that my anus is not sufficiently tight enough (which leads to the odor leaking).Edit:Here is an article written by a doctor (1912), which indicates that patulousness of the anus is a known problem in the medical field

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:22 AM

I'm starting a new post to prevent the previous one from becoming a big blob of text.Here's an important excerpt from the article:

This condition of patulous anus results from an abnormal loss of tone in the sphincter muscles, which may be due either to a fault intrinsically within the muscle, or to some disturbance in its nerve supply. When purely muscular the cause may be a direct injury to the muscle; an infiltration by a malignant or a syphilitic growth; a participation in a general muscular weakness; or the presence of a foreign body in the rectum which prevents the muscle from completely contracting.When the nerve supply to the sphincters is at fault the causative lesion may be either central or peripheral.



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Posted 04 February 2011 - 02:18 AM

I was reading this doctor's blog post about one of her patients using Electric Muscle Stimulation (EMS) to strengthen her pelvic floor muscles, in order to relieve her incontinence.I'm inspired by this passage to try EMS:

Well, after a few months and some mild improvements I thought that perhaps Ruth had reached a plateau and that I could no longer help her. Ruth would not accept this. I suggested that she try external electrical stimulation to the peri-rectal area and levator ani. External electrodes (stickers) were placed around her anus region and the stimulation unit facilitated a stronger contraction for her. It is called NMES-neuromuscular electrical stimulation. She worked on this unit at home for several weeks and had a follow-up with her colorectal surgeon.He was thrilled and said that she had gained significant return of anorectal strength and to continue with physical therapy. Ruth returned to me and we tested her. In fact, she had gained about 2 grades of strength in her sphincter and levator ani muscles.

Even though I don't have incontinence, according to what I have read, it is the anal sphincters that keep the anus closed (not patulous), and therefore I think that adding EMS to my regimen might improve or hopefully cure my condition.I have looked around Amazon.com to see if they have any reasonably priced EMS machines and this is what I found: http://www.amazon.co..._product_topNot bad... $36. What do you guys think: is this something worth trying out?P.S. Relaxed, gaping anus is referred to in the medical community as Patulous anus (all these years I've had this problem, and I just found this out a couple of days ago lol)

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 04:41 AM

I was reading this doctor's blog post about one of her patients using Electric Muscle Stimulation (EMS) to strengthen her pelvic floor muscles, in order to relieve her incontinence.I'm inspired by this passage to try EMS:Even though I don't have incontinence, according to what I have read, it is the anal sphincters that keep the anus closed (not patulous), and therefore I think that adding EMS to my regimen might improve or hopefully cure my condition.I have looked around Amazon.com to see if they have any reasonably priced EMS machines and this is what I found: http://www.amazon.co..._product_topNot bad... $36. What do you guys think: is this something worth trying out?P.S. Relaxed, gaping anus is referred to in the medical community as Patulous anus (all these years I've had this problem, and I just found this out a couple of days ago lol)

I'd consider contacting Ruths doctor to get advice and to learn further from his experience.I'd say it's important to set the EMS machine up correctly, in order to stimulate the correct area, particularly the placement of the external electrodes and the voltage settings.Most importantly this procedure gives new hope.

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 02:10 PM

This happens to me. I have exactly the same symptoms as you! More so when I have been drinking, or if I have been taking drugs, (Mdma)(I know its not big or clever and take it very rarely)When drinking my anus becomes wet and can sometimes a fishy odour, and it must relax and gape that much that fecal odour is released. It smells like a cow pat (hence the user name) This has happend only when drinking or doing drugs. My stools and farts smell very bad also. I occasionly get farts seeping from my anus when at work, not as bad as when I'm drinking but i do notice it.I have been reading this forum for the last week or so and have read some information about Florastor probiotic and its had good results with people with leaky gas. I have ordered some of this which is really expense at nearly 60 for 50 caps and have started taking centrum multi vitamins.I hope it will work!!Smellycowpat

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 09:58 PM

This happens to me. I have exactly the same symptoms as you! More so when I have been drinking, or if I have been taking drugs, (Mdma)(I know its not big or clever and take it very rarely)When drinking my anus becomes wet and can sometimes a fishy odour, and it must relax and gape that much that fecal odour is released. It smells like a cow pat (hence the user name) This has happend only when drinking or doing drugs. My stools and farts smell very bad also. I occasionly get farts seeping from my anus when at work, not as bad as when I'm drinking but i do notice it.I have been reading this forum for the last week or so and have read some information about Florastor probiotic and its had good results with people with leaky gas. I have ordered some of this which is really expense at nearly £60 for 50 caps and have started taking centrum multi vitamins.I hope it will work!!Smellycowpat

Hey S.Mdma can be quite an experience but it might not be the best thing for your particular body.Mdma usually always contains a certain percentage of speed.These drugs can play havoc with your mind/nervous system.It's quite possible that the mind/nerve reaction is causing your anal sphincter muscle to set itself to the gape position.Not a good thing as you're experiencing.I'd be inclined to kick the gear as the short term highs aren't worth a lifetime with that gape.You need to try a year drug free as regular partying doesn't allow your nervous system to go back to normal.Florastor & vitamins are a good thing but shouldn't you focus on what is causing the gape?

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 03:59 AM

I suppose you are right, but the gape also happens when drunk and not taking any drugs? I never soil myself when it happens, there's just a bad smell for a couple of seconds. I'm thinking that it relaxes the muscle and because it smells so bad is because a bad make up of bacteria in the gut? The relaxation of the muscle may happen to all of us to an extent when drunk but their may be no smell for other people as their bacteria is how it should be!?If my stools are smelling like a cow, does this suggest I'm intolerant to dairy? Could it be the bad make up of bacteria not digesting the dairy correctly?Thanks

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 06:07 AM

I suppose you are right, but the gape also happens when drunk and not taking any drugs? I never soil myself when it happens, there's just a bad smell for a couple of seconds. I'm thinking that it relaxes the muscle and because it smells so bad is because a bad make up of bacteria in the gut? The relaxation of the muscle may happen to all of us to an extent when drunk but their may be no smell for other people as their bacteria is how it should be!?If my stools are smelling like a cow, does this suggest I'm intolerant to dairy? Could it be the bad make up of bacteria not digesting the dairy correctly?Thanks

It's quite possible you may suffer from either IBS, cealiac disease, or food intolerance/malabsorption but I'd eliminate these factors by seeing a gastro department specialist and having tests to know for sure. There are simple tests for some of these conditions, such as gas tests for lactose & fructose intolerance.I wouldn't recommend a strict diet if your digestion is fine.Regarding the gape, depending on the length of time you've been partying, your mind/body may have adopted a gaping position as your normal state.This would explain gaping even when you're not partaking.If this is the case you really need to be strict and kick drugs and alcohol for a long period of time and retrain your nervous system by deep relaxation (meditation) exercise and healthy lifestyle.Partying can have long term consequences and new involuntary body patterns & habits which can be hard to restore.Regarding the cowpat smell, even if you are free of IBS & malabsorption, everyone's poo smells regardless, especially if there is a gape.The amount of odor will be determined by how regular you are and how much material sits in your rectum.Having said that, there are foods which increase your odor (garlic, onions, dairy, windy vegetables, peanuts, beans, and other foods).If you go FODMAP free and eliminate dairy you can reduce your odor.I'd start with getting a diagnosis.Get your doctor to eliminate food malabsorption/intolerance, cealiac disease, & IBS.If you have these eliminate FODMAP & dairy foods from your diet.Also kick your drug/alcohol habits and start the next phase of your life.I enjoyed my experimental stage, but during this time l never really grew, and I've found other things I'd rather have in life, like relationships, and exploring natural highs which ultimately are more powerful.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 11:18 PM

Nice to see a good discussion going here :) Anyways, so like I mentioned in one of my previous threads on this topic, I have been doing Electrical Muscular Stimulation (EMS) therapy along with squats (w/ a 40 lb barbell). So far, I have actually noticed a small but positive change: I remember that before this problem took hold, after defecating, my anus would close up really quickly with a lightning fast reflex; as this problem materialized, this stopped happening and odors started to leak through my weak anus. Now when I sit, I can close up my anus in the same manner as it used to be closed HOWEVER, I can't keep it closed. It's like it's default state is "relaxed" and I have to actively contract my external sphincter muscles to keep it properly closed.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NOTE: By "relaxed," I don't mean that my anus gapes open all the time. Though my anus DOES gape sometimes, it doesn't happen very frequently. So by "relaxed" I mean that my anus doesn't stay closed with the right amount of muscular force i.e. it stays closed but you could insert something through it very, very easily.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In other news, though it does feel good that I'm doing something constructive to solve this problem, I feel like I'm groping around in the dark: I don't know for sure how to solve this problem. I think that I need to get in touch with a specialist but (lol) I don't know what kind of specialist deals with pelvic muscle problems... urologists?Peace

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 01:51 AM

Nice to see a good discussion going here :) Anyways, so like I mentioned in one of my previous threads on this topic, I have been doing Electrical Muscular Stimulation (EMS) therapy along with squats (w/ a 40 lb barbell). So far, I have actually noticed a small but positive change: I remember that before this problem took hold, after defecating, my anus would close up really quickly with a lightning fast reflex; as this problem materialized, this stopped happening and odors started to leak through my weak anus. Now when I sit, I can close up my anus in the same manner as it used to be closed HOWEVER, I can't keep it closed. It's like it's default state is "relaxed" and I have to actively contract my external sphincter muscles to keep it properly closed.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NOTE: By "relaxed," I don't mean that my anus gapes open all the time. Though my anus DOES gape sometimes, it doesn't happen very frequently. So by "relaxed" I mean that my anus doesn't stay closed with the right amount of muscular force i.e. it stays closed but you could insert something through it very, very easily.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In other news, though it does feel good that I'm doing something constructive to solve this problem, I feel like I'm groping around in the dark: I don't know for sure how to solve this problem. I think that I need to get in touch with a specialist but (lol) I don't know what kind of specialist deals with pelvic muscle problems... urologists?Peace

Good luck G.I'd really like to know how you progress, especially tracking down a specialist who knows what he's talking about.As well as suffering from malabsorption/intolerance, I suspect many of us have a gape problem to some extent.By gape, l mean not firmly tight.This could explain why some have leaky FBO whilst others have bloating pain.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 09:40 PM

^^^ Agreed.So I went through a pretty bad experience regarding this problem this week, but I guess it was a blessing in disguise because I came up with a theory about why people who have a "relaxed" anus experience fecal odor:Imagine if you had a sponge in your hand and you were trying to tie a string around its center to make it look like a bow- if you tied the string loosely, it wouldn't compress the center of the sponge as well as a tightly-wound knot would have. The point I'm trying to make is that, that string around the sponge represents our external anal sphincters. I think the problem is that because our sphincter muscles are contracting with less than the right amount of force, they're not able to properly keep the anus closed. If the external sphincter is "relaxed" then it becomes easier for odors to escape from it; for example, if you took a balloon filled with air and pinched shut it's opening, the air would remain inside of it, however, if you relaxed the opening a little, air would escape from it. This would explain why some of us have fecal odor throughout the day: the odors of the food being digested in our intestines and that of the stools also inside of it, escapes through the "relaxed" anus.According to this book:

While the anus is closed, the skin around it is thrown into radial folds by the contraction of the External sphincter.

Upon examining my own body, those radial folds do not tightly surround my anus- they're spread apart, probably indicating the weak state of my external sphincters. The thing is that, while I'm doing Electrical Muscle Stimulation (EMS) therapy, those folds wrap tightly around my anus and completely relieve me of the "relaxed" feeling.So in conclusion: I think that we suffer from odor and other symptoms because our external sphincters have atrophied and therefore cannot continuously exert the right amount of force needed to keep the anus closed.Thoughts?

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 01:01 AM

^^^ Agreed.So I went through a pretty bad experience regarding this problem this week, but I guess it was a blessing in disguise because I came up with a theory about why people who have a "relaxed" anus experience fecal odor:Imagine if you had a sponge in your hand and you were trying to tie a string around its center to make it look like a bow- if you tied the string loosely, it wouldn't compress the center of the sponge as well as a tightly-wound knot would have. The point I'm trying to make is that, that string around the sponge represents our external anal sphincters. I think the problem is that because our sphincter muscles are contracting with less than the right amount of force, they're not able to properly keep the anus closed. If the external sphincter is "relaxed" then it becomes easier for odors to escape from it; for example, if you took a balloon filled with air and pinched shut it's opening, the air would remain inside of it, however, if you relaxed the opening a little, air would escape from it. This would explain why some of us have fecal odor throughout the day: the odors of the food being digested in our intestines and that of the stools also inside of it, escapes through the "relaxed" anus.According to this book:Upon examining my own body, those radial folds do not tightly surround my anus- they're spread apart, probably indicating the weak state of my external sphincters. The thing is that, while I'm doing Electrical Muscle Stimulation (EMS) therapy, those folds wrap tightly around my anus and completely relieve me of the "relaxed" feeling.So in conclusion: I think that we suffer from odor and other symptoms because our external sphincters have atrophied and therefore cannot continuously exert the right amount of force needed to keep the anus closed.Thoughts?

I'm right with you on this.I've worked with IBS sufferers who had no odor at all whilst I was with them.Personally, having been diagnosed Lactose intolerant and with malabsorbtion, I've been able to reduce my symptoms to a great degree, but I still have low level symptoms.Even with neutral symptoms, one will continue to have an odor at some level, if the sphincter doesn't stay closed.The $6,000,000 question.I had already been referred to a colo rectal surgeon last year, who indicated he didn't like tampering surgically.He advised me that it's very easy to damage the nerves in the region which can end up worsening ones symptoms.I'll ask my gastro specialist next week but I'm not holding my breathe.I'm exploring the mind/body approach.Anxiety/fear in the mind can stimulate the nervous system and cause permanent engagement of muscle groups.I'm working on overcoming this through deep relaxation/meditation.For me, it's worth a go.

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 04:01 PM

^^^ Good luck with whatever you're doing and I hope that it works out for you :)So anyways, I was examining my anus (lol!) when I realized that there is a fissure right on the north side of it, bordering the perineum. I think that this fissure might be compromising the strength of my external sphincters because it makes it easy for the muscle to give way to whatever is bearing down upon it (weight of rectum, intestines, etc.).In other news, I called up my surgeon's office to make an appointment, so hopefully they'll contact me soon. Meanwhile, I have decided to apply raw honey (not the over pasteurized stuff you get at a grocery store) and olive oil to the area and see if it helps.Good luck and I'll try to keep you guys posted as best as I can :)

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 05:54 AM

^^^ Good luck with whatever you're doing and I hope that it works out for you :)So anyways, I was examining my anus (lol!) when I realized that there is a fissure right on the north side of it, bordering the perineum. I think that this fissure might be compromising the strength of my external sphincters because it makes it easy for the muscle to give way to whatever is bearing down upon it (weight of rectum, intestines, etc.).In other news, I called up my surgeon's office to make an appointment, so hopefully they'll contact me soon. Meanwhile, I have decided to apply raw honey (not the over pasteurized stuff you get at a grocery store) and olive oil to the area and see if it helps.Good luck and I'll try to keep you guys posted as best as I can :)

Fissures are terrible.I suffered with one right on the ring and was going through terrible continuous pain.The surgeon wanted to avoid surgery (concern of causing more damage) so I had to ride it out.It cured after 6 months but I did go through hell.I believe the fissure (tear) happened due to high fibre diet (porridge) coupled with a lack of water intake.I learned my lesson and make sure I hydrate daily.Let us know how you go curing the fissure.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 04:35 PM

Let us know how you go curing the fissure.

The thing is that I don't feel any pain whatsoever. Maybe it healed but at the same time the tear remained?

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 09:41 PM

ImportantAccording to this study, "topical phenylephrine increases anal sphincter resting pressure." If a 10% phenylephrine topical cream is used, it can yield a 33% increase in the anal sphincter's resting pressure!I'm going to ask my doctor for this the next time I see him.P.S. According to what I've read phenylephrine is an ingredient in over-the-counter ointments like Preparation H, but it's concentration is really low (like 0.25%).

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 11:41 PM

ImportantAccording to this study, "topical phenylephrine increases anal sphincter resting pressure." If a 10% phenylephrine topical cream is used, it can yield a 33% increase in the anal sphincter's resting pressure!I'm going to ask my doctor for this the next time I see him.P.S. According to what I've read phenylephrine is an ingredient in over-the-counter ointments like Preparation H, but it's concentration is really low (like 0.25%).

Extremely interesting development.Mild to moderate increase in resting pressure might be the sweet spot to make the difference.Interested to learn what your doctor says.

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 08:22 AM

Hi there, I am a 19 year old male, and I am pretty sure the cause of my odor is similar to yours, it definitely seems to be coming from the anal area and I often feel as though my anus is wet/moist, but doesn't feel like it is sweat if you know what I mean, it still happens even when the rest of my body is cold. Also, do you get a feeling of incomplete evacuation, like you need to go again (this is IBS related according to my doctor)? Basically, can someone please help me out with this. This is my situation:All of this seems to have started this I went camping last summer and I am sure I had some sort of food poisoing which didn't last too long, and I felt the urge to go to the toilet, but obviously I can't have had enough water to drink so felt fairly constipated. Then all of the people gave me funny reactions and my friend told me I stunk of #### (funny comment now I look back at it lol, but not at the time). Anyway I tried to go to the toilet after that as I felt a real urge to go, but I seriously couldn't go for a ####, it tooke like 30 or 40 minutes to get rid of some odd thin-looking faeces and it almost felt like my bowels were "backed up". So after going to the toilet I felt quite a lot of gas inside me, and I also had this "dropping" or "descending" sensation, a little different to the feeling of gas - almost like you said before. What could this be?Anyway, during that weekend of camping, I just stayed in my tent most of the time, and tried to drink some more fluids, but was still struggling to get rid of all this ####, and I hardly ate a thing for 3 days. Since then, this problem has stayed with me, varying in intensity, and has been about 8 or 9 months now. However, I can never smell it myself - just by the reactions of my friends or complete strangers. I am sure at one point, it might have actually gone for about a month or two? Although I am not too sure about that. And again, it definitely is worse when I am anxious. I have visted the doctor 3 times regarding this problem, the first couple of times I didn't really mention the anal sphincter or whatever, as I though it might be diet related (as I had some trouble with bowel movements for a few months which seems to have calmed down a bit now), but the problem of the odor, now having lived with this for a fairly long time, seems to coincide with a wet anus (or wet feeling around that area). I have felt down there a few times (lol) and it definitely doesn't feel right, like a little relaxed. What exactly should be the feeling of a healthy anus (Sorry, I know it is a wierd question but I really wouldn't know as I didn't constantly inspect my anus before all of this)? I am sure again, like others, the odor is worse depending on what I have eaten, but stress and anxiety, etc, seem to be the biggest factors in how bad it will be - this is when my anal area feels really moist, and I can feel this most when I am sitting down in my chair, especially when I am quite anxious about something - but the rest of my body doesn;t feel sweaty!!!Finally, in the last few weeks I have noticed that when I have gas it seems to escape fairly easily, with little resistance, whereas, before this problem, started I could "hold one in" for a long time :( ?!?!? Also, when I need to go for a bowel movement it is a sudden urge, like there is a weakening os some muscle down there??? Altough this is a symptoms of IBS, which others I am sure (who have no odor) experience.So, what exactly is going on, and how do I approach my doctor about it this week when I see him? Is there a way for him to measure the strength of my sphincter, and can he find out if something is really weak down there fairly easily - or would I need to see a gastroenterologist to find this out? I am in the UK by the way, not in the states like yourself, so not sure how the system works over there.Anyway, thanks in advance, any help will be greatly appreciated! I am sure there is some way to sort this problem out, and it probably lies with the anal sphincer although I could not say as I am not a doctor.....Please reply and I will get back to you if you want any more info about my problem and we can help each other out.





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