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[timgermain]

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Hey Everyone,So I had terrible IBS for 2+ years. Gastritis, indigestion, ab pain, whatever... I don't even want to re-hash it. So the doc did an endoscopy and I had h pylori.I was treated for H pylori with PYLERA about 3-4 months ago. Literally... almost all of my IBS pains diminished by 75%. The last 3 months have been amazing... Mainly my gut hurt and my small intestines hurt. Meaning... I would eat, and then I'd have pain / gas / "rotten intestinal feeling" over the next 4 hours as the food moved thru my small intestine. Anyways... I was feeling TOTALLY and NEARLY 100% better after my Pylera. NOW I HAVE STREP THROAT???!?!?!?!?!?!? And what do they of course prescribe me with?Penicillin V K 500 mg. I told them I have IBS... they didn't care: "you have to kill strep." I am now on day 4, and I can feel that balance that I had in my gut flora after my PYLERA treament is disappearing. My small intestines are beginning to hurt and I am getting that "rotten small intestine feeling" all over again. I can't even begin to imagine slipping back to where I was 5 months ago... I don't know if I can handle it.Why are my guts SO SO SOS SOSOSO affected by Penecillin? Why did the Pylera treatment set me in balance so well?I don't know what to do. Thanks,Tim

[timgermain]

Anyone have such affects from Penicillin? Anyone had such great effects from Pylera??I just feel it so unbelievably insulting / fateful / absurd that I FINALLY, after 2 years of absolute garbage digestions, I had a balance and was able to finally eat food and enjoy life.... and now.... 3 measely months into feeling well, I get strep throat, and have to take Penicillin... which is at this point just messing my intestines up bad. Any insight would be awesome.Thx.

[BQ]

Take a probiotic! Different antibiotics work better on different things. But get yourself a good probiotic and get on it as soon as you can.

[timgermain]

Hey BQI have been eating both yogurt reguarly and probiotics (acidop and bifidus). I understand that keeping the good stuff up in numbers is important with abx (I learned that the heard way... this ALL started with abx after getting some weird stomach bug in mexico) BQ... I literally don't know how to describe my devestation with how this is all going down. After my pylera treatment... I felt F-ing normal. NORMAL! Could eat food again! And now, not 4 days into treating my strep throat, I can feel my small intestines begin to do what they did before my pylera treatment. Just that rotten, collicy pain in the intestines... I just feel like God is messing with me. He was like, "Here's two years of you feeling like death... OH... here's 3 months of feeling normal again... BUT PSYCH! Here's strep so you have to ruin you digestive system again." I just feel defeated... and im only on day 4/10 for my treatment. And if day 4 is any indication of what day 10 will feel like, I may just have to quit life. I dunno... Its like a joke right now. A joke. I WAS FEELING AMAZING! And now 4 days into this treatment (as if my body needs more f-ing antibiotics) I am feeling like those symptoms are coming back... its aweful.but yeah.. im on probiotics to the max. No help thus far.

[BQ]

You may need to just grin and bear it.. Not treating strep is not an option. You could ask for a more gut friendly antibiotic though if you start having liquid Diarrhea. Only 5.5 days to go!

[Little Hedgehog]

Strep is something that needs to be treated. I wish I could tell you it goes away by itself easily, but it's really risky to let it do it's damage without treating it.However, I totally agree with BQ: do yourself a huge favor and please please please take a lot of probiotics during the Penicillin treatment and for a couple of weeks after. You want to minimize the damage to your gut flora as much as you can.Ask your doctor or pharmacist about the probiotic called Saccharomyces Boulardii. The ones you're taking now are very good, but taking some Saccharo with them is even better.Really, believe us when we tell you you really want to take lotsa probiotics as well

[timgermain]

Right on... thanks for the reply guys. You are right... grin and bear it. If my system was able to find a balance after pylera... there is hope yet that it will eventually get back there after this penicillin.... I just vowed to never take abx again after the pylera... and here I am, 4 months later doing just that... thought it was just kind of ironic. It just seems penicillin, particularly, is bad on my system. Not sure why..?

[timgermain]

Yeah... the gastritis and the H pylori feeling are coming back worse and worse each time I take the penicillin. I am just so confused as to why this would be happening?My pylera cured my gastritis -- not one occurance in 3 months since treatment. Now, I am taking penicillin, I am getting my gastritis back... and moreover, just the feeling of h pylori... which causes weird stabbing pains in my stomach and an associated headache / chloridia imbalance that i can feel. Any ideas as to why this would happen? It makes no sense... why would penicillin make my h pylori symptoms worse? Apparently the Pylera didn't eradicate the pylori totally... but certainly weakened it very considerably. Why would taking another abx make it worse? This all started after taking 2 weeks of Amoxicillin a couple years ago. I wonder if I have created a particularly strong strain that is immune to penicillin and its derivatives??? Does that make sense?? Could I have had this infection forever and then taken the amoxicillin and killed off a bunch of the pylori, but some of it survived and re-populated as a resistant strain?I am confused and in pain again... lame. Holding out hope that it will get bbeter though.

[timgermain]

Its been 4 days since i finished my Strep throat treatment with Pencillin. WHY WOULD PENICILLIN CAUSE MY SIBO TO RETURN? WHY WOULD PENCILLIN CAUSE MY H PYLORI SYMPTOMS TO RETURN?Does anyone else not find this intriguing? After I treat my hpylori with Flagyl and Cypro, my symptoms disappeared. And about 4 months after that, I get strep throat and now ALL of my SIBO symptoms are as strong as ever... literally I could feel the progression overnight as I took the Pencillin. After the 3rd day on Penicillin, I had that bloating / gassy / toxic gas feeling in my small bowel about 2-5 hours after eating. Literally nobody else finds this intriguing? Why would Flagyl and Cypro work, but Pencillin make it worse. This is not some half-brained logic... I literally felt my body go from SICK to NORMAL bakc to SICK again... all with the aid of anitibiotics. There is no other explination besides the antibiotics. Im just pissed.... my sibo and stomach were CURED... and now, because of Strep thraot... I feel at square one again... I just don't get how Pencillin could be devestating on my GI tract.$$$$$$

[BQ]

Like I said above: Different antibiotics work better on different things. Talk to your Dr about this.

[timgermain]

Ok, thanks...Do you have any idea as to which antibiotics I should try again to get that balance back? Pylera consists of Flagyl and tetracycline, and one of those did a really really good job on my small bowel and large bowel. After about 2 days on the Pylera, I remember saying to myself: "wow my intestines feel loose and light." And when I have bad SIBO it seems like they are sluggish, backed up, filled with gas and sharp pains are throughout. Moreover, that leads to fatigue, gassey feeling in throat, brain fog, et cetera. This all started about 3 years ago when I had the flu. I then got an upper resp infection and was on two courses of doxycycline and amoxicilin. And I think that when I took those, I killed off a bunch of stuff, but then some bad PENCILLIN resistant flora started multiplying. I think the doxy / amox combo aggrevated my h pylori, as it likely killed the bugs that kept it in check. The H pylori then caused gastritis and mal-digestion, which exasserbated the sibo. So... after taking the pencillin, it seems like I've killed off the good bacteria that were populating my gut after the Pylera treatment (I ate a bunch of probiotics and stuff) and the pencillin-resistant stuff has multiplied en masse, as the pencillin was obviously ineffective against it. I'm just wondering if it was the Flagyl or Tetracycline that cured my SIBO... i reckon the Flagyl. THE main ponit of all of this, is that I am now 100% certain this is a gut dysbiosis thing... there is no doubt in my mind that this was caused by antibiotic misuse, and is curable with correct abx (I can't describe how much better I felt post Pylera), and can be--again--caused by abx (I now know Penicillin is particularely bad on my gut).And the thing is I told the doc about my condition... she said, "you should be fine." You have no f-ing idea, doc what we go thru.

[timgermain]

SO... for those of you who may be wondering: "can abx really cause all this distress?" The anecdotal evidence from my experience is a resounding, overwhelming, undoubted "YES". I felt... literally felt my body go from proper digestion -- you know the kind, where you don't feel anything going on... you just eat, be happy, and sleep and poop... yeah, you know... the normal kind... I felt it go from that (for 3 monnths consistently after treating my h pylori) to where I was before all of this got better WHILE taking penicillin. On like the 3rd night of my penicillin, i remember just feeling like it was CAUSING all of my gastro issues like gas, bloating, PAIN, on-and-off stools, et cetera... It felt like the penicillin was razors that tortured my small bowel...no joke. And now, Im left with that after effect... like my gut is torn up. its painful, its weak, its sluggish, its not normal. And in all, my SIBO is baack. So... for those who are just beginning this awakening (from a nightmare it seems)... I can say positively wihtout a doubt that 1. SIBOo is real... and 2. It is caused by abx misuse, among other things. AND it can get better... just don't get strep throat after you are better. Otherwise you are screwed.

[jadjac]

Have you looked into candida at all? Antibiotics can really mess up your system if you are prone to yeast overgrowth, and there is actually a condition called antibiotic candidasis. Like was suggested above, I suggest to take a probiotic - find one with a buffered gel cap that stays intact until it reaches the small intestines.

[timgermain]

Hi jadjac: I've been through the entirity of gut dysbiosis 101. I've had this going on 3 years now... and for 2 of those years, I actually thought I was dying of some form of cancer/autoimmune/idiopathic disease. The symptoms were so bizar, and so severe (for a while my mental and physical symptoms were one in the same... Ive since been able to seperate the two and at a much more health mental state) that I could not eat anything without feeling drunk/dizzy/nauseous/tired/painful abdomen/constipation/difficult stools/et cetera... it was to the point where I was ready to give up... Got tested at about 2 years of dealing with it... everything normal in my blood besides bilirubin and h pylori. I treated the h pylori and my symptoms were 75% better. My stomach still, to this day after pencillin, is pretty good and th gastritis is gone, and I am able to better digest in my stomach... I can feel it. I was feeling SO well the past 4 months... it was a great cure... I was drinking beer again, eating sandwhiches, but still maintaining a healthy diet and balance... I knew what I could revert to.Got strep 3 weeks ago... and am now dealing with BAD SIBO. But yeah... I have also had really bad candida before. When I was at my worst, looking back... I was dealing with H pylor + candida + sibo... I just know it... I just feel it... Anal itching, itching, sugar craving, I actually developed candida infection on my penis after one weekend I just was so pissed that i ate a bunch of cake and beer (wedding) and then developed candida on my penis... it was insane... I can't truly describe in detail, but I can just tell which feelings are candida, which are sibo, and which are h pylori... I can just feel it and tell.But yeah... candida was something that was a part of it. I cut out gluten, I cut out sugar, I cut out dairy... started taking Oregano oil, coconut oil, GSE... all of those things I could feel begin to ALKELINIZE my intestines... I could feel them bring a balance... it got rid of the putrid, toxic, acidic feeling I was having ALL THE TIME...Over time... I felt better... but it was the Pylera that really cured it. That, with the diet, with the probx, and herbal remedies almost cured me back to normal... Then I took pencillin and although its not as bad as before, and my stomach is still in tact... my small bowel is back to where it was before the Pylera... SO.. I know it will get better... I just need to treat it correctly... and something in the Pylera worked really well on my particualr dysbiosis.But yeah... candia is something I am trying to tackle and keep in check... thanks for the suggestion. Any others welcomed... I just need that dang abx to cleanse my small bowel, and then Im good! I will never kiss another girl again so I dont get step. I swear off of abx unless I NEED them...!! Its just frustrating to feel this way after you had a taste of freedome... it just seems so spiteful... like wtf did I do in my past life? Why did I have to kiss THAT girl to get strep... just overwhelming at points when you are in constant pain.

[BQ]

Tim go to a GI. (And if the Dr you are referring to IS your GI.. find another.) Ask your antibiotics questions. I think you may end up getting more than "You should be fine".Ask to be tested for SIBO again... no one can be a better advocate for yourself than you.

[timgermain]

The doc that gave me the pencillin was a GP... not my GI... my GI is pretty good actually, and very understanding. Without his help, I would be worse off than I currently am (h pylori + treatment really helped). My GP just doesnt understand the complexity of gut dysbiosis and what its like to take 30 pencillin pills... most ppl are fine... ppl like us have a hard time. I dont think i need the test. What i just went through has proven that its caused by antibiotics, and that its a gut dysbiosis thing going on. But yeah... we are our best advocates... Im trying! Again, I've been doing this for 3+ years now... learning. Does anyone with SIBO get a "toxic" feeling in their small bowel? Just a long-lasting nausea-like feeling coming from the small bowel? That's how I feel at this time, and when it was at its worst. happy 4th