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#1 bonniei Ph.D.

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 05:31 AM

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http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objec...67B5&dsection=7 Try to identify and avoid the foods that affect you the most. Some of the worst offenders for many people include beans, peas, lentils, cabbage, radishes, onions, broccoli, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, sauerkraut, apricots, bananas, prunes and prune juice, raisins, whole-wheat bread, bran cereals or muffins, pretzels, spicy foods, beer, sodas, and other carbonated beverages, including carbonated water, milk, cream, ice cream and ice milk. Reduce your use of dairy products. Try using low-lactose dairy foods, such as yogurt, instead of milk. Or try using products that help digest lactose, such as Lactaid or Dairy Ease. Consuming small amounts of milk products at one time and or consuming them with other foods also may make them easier to digest. In some cases, however, you may need to eliminate dairy foods completely. Add products such as Beano to high-fiber foods to help reduce the amount of gas they produce. For Beano to be effective, you need to take it with your first bite of food. It works best when there's no gas in your intestines. What's up with this?If Carbonated water can cause gas then so can pop for reasons other than fructose.And after all their specialist Levitt has done everything to say milk does not cause problems they are suggesting that dairy shoiuld be reduced or used with Lactaid?And they say Beano could be effective if taken with the first bite of food
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A total of 183 patients(with unexplained GI symptoms) had breath tests, of whom 134 (73%) were positive for fructose malabsorption"
"80% of patients had lactose malabsorption "
http://ibsgroup.org/...910563#73910563


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Posted 29 August 2004 - 05:42 PM

flux? You said, "Carbonation certainly does not lead to more gas. And, of course, it is not a GI irritant. These things were true, they could never sell it. Who is going to buy and ingest gas and a GI irritant for pleasure? That would be like buying senakot for pleasure. It would have immediate impact if it were a problem (cmpared with say cigarettes, which take years to cause damage). The carbon dioxide is absorbed into the blood. Carbon dioxide is the opposite of an irritant; it enhances the taste." http://www.ibsgroup.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php...t=038727#000003 and on the Mayo website that carbonated water causes gas?
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A total of 183 patients(with unexplained GI symptoms) had breath tests, of whom 134 (73%) were positive for fructose malabsorption"
"80% of patients had lactose malabsorption "
http://ibsgroup.org/...910563#73910563

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 07:15 PM

You don't believe everything you read? There is sometimes a disconnect between what the medical community knows and what it tells the public. It's watered-down information.
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Reduce your use of dairy products. Try using low-lactose dairy foods, such as yogurt, instead of milk
It's wrong. Lactose doesn't generally give people symptoms, so they should have milk instead.
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Add products such as Beano to high-fiber foods to help reduce the amount of gas they produce
This is also wrong. Beano doesn't help with gas at all.
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If Carbonated water can cause gas
But can it?
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And after all their specialist Levitt
Huh?
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 08:00 PM

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You don't believe everything you read?
I do if it comes from a trusted source like Mayo. Who do you believe, flux?
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But can it?
So says the Mayo letter
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quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------And after all their specialist Levitt--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Huh?
Isn't Levitt part of the Mayo team? He has done everything to say lactose intolerance is not a problem and now this Mayo article says to avoid lactose. Very ironic.
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A total of 183 patients(with unexplained GI symptoms) had breath tests, of whom 134 (73%) were positive for fructose malabsorption"
"80% of patients had lactose malabsorption "
http://ibsgroup.org/...910563#73910563

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 08:01 PM

BEANO,I WONDER IF I DRINK THE WHOLE BOTTLE IF THAT WILL DO ANYTHING.MAYBE THIS AN HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES. Posted Image A news guys here have attempted to hurt himself by dropping an whole bottle of homeopathic arsenic.Naturally,he survive and still fine. Posted Image
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-->IBS INDUCED BY NSAIDS NAPROXEN
-->NSAIDS YOU SUCKS!!!
-Permanent discomfort/cecum&sigmoid stuck/trapped gas-
---->IBS-Type constipation normal transit time(diagnose with non-relaxing puborectalis december 2005)
--->Pubic nevralgia
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 08:10 PM

B-Quote:And they say Beano COULD BE effective if taken with the first bite of food.Could be?I don't think that this mean "that is gonna works for sure."Anyway,i have tried Beano(i don't remember before or after)and it didn't works at all.IBS remains. Posted Image
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-->IBS INDUCED BY NSAIDS NAPROXEN
-->NSAIDS YOU SUCKS!!!
-Permanent discomfort/cecum&sigmoid stuck/trapped gas-
---->IBS-Type constipation normal transit time(diagnose with non-relaxing puborectalis december 2005)
--->Pubic nevralgia
***WORST PERMANENTLY SINCE RIFAXIMIN

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 08:20 PM

I've had IBS-D for over 40 years and I figured out that cantaloupe, green peppers, summer squash, zuchini, onions, spicy foods, and almost "you name it" gave me the cramps, diarrhea, and the urgent running to the Bathroom. 3 years ago my doctor decided to try an "experiment" for us in my community with IBS=D. She did a double blind, placebo controlled trial using pancreatic enzymes (prescription drug) because she thought the symptoms sounded like a maldigestion. Guess what, I don't have the problem any more as long as I take my enzymes with the "triggering foods or meals". I've got my life back. In her first study 25/39 participants actually picked the enzymes over placebo with an average improvement of over 75%. A few were like me and don't have the problem anymore unless I goof up and "forget my pills", (rarely now). She's doing a follow-up study and is interested in more patients with IBS-D participating. Anyone interested should call her: Dr. M.E. Money, 301-797-0210.

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:19 PM

I thought pancreatic enzymes were meant for the digestion of fats. I don't know how they could help with vegetables. Unless they were fried in a lot of fat.
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A total of 183 patients(with unexplained GI symptoms) had breath tests, of whom 134 (73%) were positive for fructose malabsorption"
"80% of patients had lactose malabsorption "
http://ibsgroup.org/...910563#73910563

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:31 PM

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I do if it comes from a trusted source like Mayo. Who do you believe, flux?
Scientific findings. What they are publishing is clearly contrary to those. I really doubt Mayo clinic doctors are involved with writing it. They probably aren't even aware that is what they are publishing.
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So says the Mayo letter
I bet somebody made it up. It sounds good; it sounds reasonable at least superficially, so the writer chose to put it in.
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Isn't Levitt part of the Mayo team?
This is what I mean. You just made that up (or somebody did and you read that). I guess it is a human thing. Something in our minds tell us something is true and then we write and say it, but without realizing that the source was our imagination. (I do this too, but not now.)
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now this Mayo article says to avoid lactose. Very ironic
The irony is that their writers may not even know who Levitt is.
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:40 PM

New ideas,why not IBS-c? Posted Image Posted Image
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-->IBS INDUCED BY NSAIDS NAPROXEN
-->NSAIDS YOU SUCKS!!!
-Permanent discomfort/cecum&sigmoid stuck/trapped gas-
---->IBS-Type constipation normal transit time(diagnose with non-relaxing puborectalis december 2005)
--->Pubic nevralgia
***WORST PERMANENTLY SINCE RIFAXIMIN

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:44 PM

I wouldn't quite say I made it up. Posted Image Probably got confused about something you said in one of your e-mails. But that was a while ago and plenty of room to get it wrong 2 years later. Now I remember -Levitt works for the VA center in Minnesota and so is the Mayo clinic in MN. Perhaps that is how I got confused.
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A total of 183 patients(with unexplained GI symptoms) had breath tests, of whom 134 (73%) were positive for fructose malabsorption"
"80% of patients had lactose malabsorption "
http://ibsgroup.org/...910563#73910563

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:47 PM

It doesn't work for the IBS-C. In fact, it can make the IBS-D become constipated when it turns off the extra secretions. My doc has explained it to me like this: When we cut an onion quite often our eyes tear. Why??? They are an irritant. The docs are hypothesizing that IBS=D may be an inherited genetic defect that makes the pancreas sluggish, or maybe not quite putting out enough enzymes. What is really interesting is that the pancreas secretions actually influence the secretions from other sections of the intestines (downregulate) and if we don't make it on time, or enough, the stomach, or the small intestines get turned on more when we eat the "triggering item" that is specific for each of us. (Just like the onion). Apparently when I take the one pill just before I eat the "trigger meal", it is turning off this excess secretions. How and why it works they don't know yet, but the research is really neat and exciting. I no longer have to panic when I eat out in a restaurant and then my family wants to go to a movie, etc...

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:56 PM

I forgot to add that my doc says the IBS-D is like having an "internal enema". I can certainly agree. When I took the laxatives before I had my first colonoscopy I kept on waiting for something to happen. They certainly didn't work like onion soup or a spicy meat ball sub worked (within 30 minutes). So I'm guessing that the extra secretions are coming from either my stomach or small intestine. If I take the enzymes AFTER the meal, they don't work, and apparently if the enzymes were actually digesting the food, I should have to take around 6 rather than only 1 or 2. Apparently from what my docs says, she has around 3 dozen or more patients now taking the enzymes with success but it doesn't work that well if a patient doesn't know the triggers.

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 04:40 AM

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Levitt works for the VA center in Minnesota and so is the Mayo clinic in MN. Perhaps that is how I got confused.
This seems reasonable. The VA is in Mnneapolis, MN and the clinic is Rochester, MN.
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The docs are hypothesizing that IBS=D may be an inherited genetic defect that makes the pancreas sluggish, or maybe not quite putting out enough enzymes.
Nope, this does not happen in IBS. Digestion and absorption are normal in IBS.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:48 AM

It hasn't been "proved yet" nor published, but you might want to keep an open mind about it. There have been quite a few articles looking into possible osmotic defects with IBS-D

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 01:36 PM

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There have been quite a few articles looking into possible osmotic defects with IBS-D
Which are? First, what described above doesn't have any connection to osmotic diarrhea; it actually doesn't make a lot of sense. Second, the only thing I've come across relating osmotic diarrhea and IBS would be bile acid malabsorption, but that is just a separate condition.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 05:26 PM

New_ideas, were you given Creon? Secondly where has the research been published. Thirdly I too would be interested in articles about osmotic defect and IBS.
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A total of 183 patients(with unexplained GI symptoms) had breath tests, of whom 134 (73%) were positive for fructose malabsorption"
"80% of patients had lactose malabsorption "
http://ibsgroup.org/...910563#73910563

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 05:53 PM

Creon 25 even a small amount gave me more symptoms.
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-->IBS INDUCED BY NSAIDS NAPROXEN
-->NSAIDS YOU SUCKS!!!
-Permanent discomfort/cecum&sigmoid stuck/trapped gas-
---->IBS-Type constipation normal transit time(diagnose with non-relaxing puborectalis december 2005)
--->Pubic nevralgia
***WORST PERMANENTLY SINCE RIFAXIMIN

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 12:04 AM

The drug I have been prescribed is Viokase 8000 units of lipase per tablet. The capsules of enzymes didn't seem to work as well as the tablet.

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 12:54 AM

http://home.intekom.com/pharm/lennon/viokase.html "PHARMACOLOGICAL ACTION:Each tablet contains sufficient pancreatic enzymes to digest, in vitro, 32 grams of dietary protein, 48 grams of dietary starch, and 23 grams of dietary fat. Viokase is used as a digestive aid and in the treatment of pancreatic insufficiency. Viokase contains less than 1% of fat and is not enteric coated. "So I suppose it could help with the digestion of veggies"INDICATIONS:Pancreatic insufficiency associated with Cystic Fibrosis, pancreatitis, post-gastrectomy, post-cholecystectomy, post-pancreatectomy. Viokase is helpful in functional dyspepsias."It is interesting that it helps with dyspepsia
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A total of 183 patients(with unexplained GI symptoms) had breath tests, of whom 134 (73%) were positive for fructose malabsorption"
"80% of patients had lactose malabsorption "
http://ibsgroup.org/...910563#73910563





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