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[aintmyfault]

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Originally posted by Funny Gutz:Catalina, there should be no unusual problems between the ingredients in this product and prescription medication. This is just freeze dried bacteria in a typical colored medicine capsule with the usual fillers. The stated ingredients aren't anything unsual that you wouldn't find in other medication and considered by the FDA to be "neutral":Bifidobacterium infantis 35624.

Howdy;I have tried to research what B. INFANTis 35624 - is ... what is it's source?Being truthful - I know that human abortions are in many products from vitamins to make up's and lip sticks ... many vaccines are made from human abortions ... what does the "INFANTIS" come from?I am not implying that such is from an abortion, however; with these sick suckers protected by the greedy and the courts they own ... I wouldn't put it past them and I really want to know the source - funny I could see no mention - one place said no wheat or animal products ... , however; humans are not classified as animals - unless you follow Darwin's admitted deceptions.Once again, I want you to know that eating oatmeal at least once a week, eating saur kraut at least once a week and kim chee on a daily basis has put the flora back in the doorah ... and a spoon of raw and unfiltered honey a day to boot - I see the difference and it's cost is almost non-existant ... big box of oat meal AND ONLY USE THE OLD FASHIONED AS THE OTHERS ARE DEAD FOODS ... cost less than 2 bucks and has many servings ... saur kraut is like .35 cents a can or a buck a bag - shoot make your own for pennies ... the kim chee is around 3 bucks for a jar and lasts a couple weeks and a honey comb is like 6 bucks - well worth the investment and it supplies everything one needs to sustain life and a little extra ...Peaceful Solution comes through education;Aintmyfault

[hanna]

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Originally posted by wornout:I just ordered this probiotic--the one that's being widely discussed in the "IBS News and Research" section, and is being reported as successful in the GI conference in Hawaii this week.I have not yet received it; i ordered it here:http://www.bifantis.com/find.shtmlHas anyone tried it? I'd like to get some feedback.

Wornout did you receive this product and have you tried it yet? Please post your results, I am curious to find out if this works and also interested in ordering it.

[KateyKat]

Thanx Tori for this explanation.I've sorta come across this theory before but when thinking about it a bit more I just wondered if it really is so ... or just a myth. I understand that the bad bacteria cause gas and bloating in the 'normal' course of events but have never heard that gas/bloating also comes from toxins released from dead bacteria.Anyhows I too will have a google around ... Am trialling Plantarum 299v - 3rd week - it's had some good reports on-line. I still haven't located Bifantis here in UK. KToriN said:>But the result is dead bacteria which >(supposedly) release toxins that cause the gas > and bloating. Researchers may have seen this > kind of activity in vitro. ....

[Todd]

I've been taking Align for a little less than a month now. It's hard for me to determine if it is helping or not. I was feeling pretty well before I started taking it and I have continued to feel well. My biggest issue was always stress related and since I haven't been in stressful situations recently, I can't really pinpoint the benefits. But, at least things haven't gotten worse.I have a question for the board though. Is it ok to mix probiotics? Do they cancel each other out or do they work together? The reason I ask is because there is a new kind of yogurt that contains probiotics. I was wondering if it would be ok to eat that while I was taking Align.Thanks guys!

[Silent Sufferer Suffering]

I just received my first shipment today, and will begin taking it today or tomorrow. I've had a bad stretch of a couple days, so I'm not too sure I want to start something "new" on a bad day, if that makes any sense. Will update it along my journey--I'll be eating Activia, as well.

[Kathleen M.]

With a study size of 174 the 47% and 63% would generally always be statistically different. If the sample size for the study was like 6 in each group you might not be able to tell and would have to report it as a trending that way but not signficantly different.K.

[Surfboar]

For those in the UK and elsewhere looking for Align, I found this ad although I really don't know anything about it. http://www.bowtrol.com/

[MARK6331]

http://sev.prnewswire.com/food-beverages/2...22122005-1.htmlNew News on Probiotics////New product from DannonThe company claims this will regulate your digestive system in two weeks.I thought you would all like this.Mark

[JonathanB]

I'm halfway through week 4 of using Align, and I think it is helping me. I suffer from C alternating with D IBS - started with some anti-malaria meds 7 years ago. I have noticed that I am having BMs nearly every day whereas before I could go 3-4 days without. I have had a few bad days with D on Align, but they seem more solid and less painful (before I had bad cramps leading up to D). Have had several very good days with wonderful BMs - I haven't seen BMs like this in years. (It's the little things that impress me.) Like some of you have said, I'm definitely not cured, but I think this has made a big difference. Going to give it 2-3 months and see how things go...

[DireWeeYah]

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Originally posted by JonathanB:I don't think those probiotics with bifidobacterium infantis have the same strain as Align. I've tried other probiotics with b. infantis, but they did not help me at all. The strain in Align has had much better effects... Maybe other people will have different results...

Yep, but other strains MAY work as well..."The Working Group concluded that probiotic effects may be strain specific and stressed the importance of being able to link the strain to a specific beneficial health effect. We agree. While several species and strains of Bifidobacterium have been shown to produce beneficial effects with respect to normal functioning of the GI tract, the quality control advantages of using a specific strain far out weigh any disadvantages. Accordingly, the Procter & Gamble Company has moved forward with development of the specific strain of Bifidobacterium infantis, 35624, consistent with the recommendation in the guidelines. However, it is recognized that given the wide number of BiBdobacterium species and strains isolated from the human gut and the numerous studies performed on them, there is no basis in experience to question the safety of any of these species or strains. The Working Group also strongly recommended that some form of DNA sequence data be used to identify and distinguish these specific strains. As indicated above this is the general means of strain identification used for Bifidobacterium infantis 35624. The guidelines also set forth the recommendation that the strain be deposited in an internationally recognized culture collection which has been done, a deposit of B. infantis 35624 was made at the National Collection of Industrial and Marine Bacterial Limited in January of 1999 with the accession number NCIMB 4103. "

[kim o]

Stay strong, before you leave LV you need to stop in at the Texas Station on Tuesday nights at 7:30 and find the Reliv group and check out what is happening there. Many IBS sufferers are rid of their symptoms. Not cured but not dealing with the symptoms sounds pretty good to me. My friend Amie got rid of her D 2-1/2 weeks after starting the product and it hasn't returned. She's was holding her breath thinking it would return but so far so good. 7 weeks and holding without D. It has also helped people with lifelong C. If you would like to ask her questions you can e-mail me and I'll hook you up. She will be joining here soon to tell about her experience. Kim Ojoanneotib###yahoo.comor 7thheaven.9###gmail.com

[Talissa]

I'm taking 3 caps a day on an empty stomach, as directed on the bottle~( http://www.imhotepinc.com/product1.html ) Another person here takes them w/ meals.The liquid citrucidel would probably be more effective, but I can't take the taste.Are you back on track now Mark? I hope so.

[DireWeeYah]

As promised, I am giving my occassional progress report using Align. It has been two weeks since the first dose. I don't want to give unwarranted hope with such a short time-period but this is working for me. Your mileage may differ.After 5 days, stools were still loose but urgency that day and since then have been WAY decreased. For the past few days, stools have alternated from "somewhat loose" to "Lincoln-log beautiful." In fact, for our Thanksgiving holiday, I went to visit my folks by car 330 miles away. THIS IS A FIRST: I didn't even stop once for any kind of break on the way there! That was awesome.After over-endulging on Thanksgiving turkey and the fixings, I didn't have to go that whole night--that was a bit surprising to me. The next day, after eating way too much delicious Greek fast-food, I did have a semi-urgent need to use the potty. It wasn't one of those "uh oh, I better drive 100MPH to the nearest market restroom" but I will still classify it as urgent nonetheless. However, no d. That has been the only urgent episode so far.I drove back on Saturday and only stopped one time and that was to pee. What a reversal!So far the most significant positives are way less urgency (was my biggest symptom) and less frequency. I have not experiencd any negative effect from the product.Again, this is just one man's account. Until I have had at least two-months experience on this product with consistent decrease in my IBS symptoms, I am not going to give the blanket thumbs-up yet. Unless something extra good or bad happens before then, expect another report from me in about two weeks or so.Happy month to you all.-John

[Surfboar]

Another update.I had my bad setback that ran for about 2 full days. Now I am starting to feel better again. I have started taking a stool softener at night before bed and that seems to have helped in passing the stool. This morning, after my coffee, I had the biggest bm I can remember.... we are talking measuring in feet. LOL..... we are a bizarre lot!!!!!

[karoe]

Interesting reading, here, about this Infantis 35624. Just let me throw this out in case anyone is listening. With all the concern about getting real "live" cultures or organisms, why do folks not think of growing their own? I got the idea to "grow" my own yogurt from reading about the SCD diet (specific carbohydrate diet) that is helpful for some folks with chron's and IBD. The key is to "incubate" for 24 hours so that 99+% of the lactose (milk sugar) is transformed by the bacteria. I am using a greek yogurt (yes, actually made in Greece) called FAGE as a starter. Been doing it for 3 weeks now. Would love to grow my own Infantis 35624!! Ideas welcome.

[DireWeeYah]

Just another update on my progress. I am very happy with Align. I am by no means symptom-free but it has ameliorated all of my symptoms to great degree. I did have a "bad" day yesterday, however. Bad is in quotes because it wasn't the kind of bad i'm used to. I just had to go to the "reading room" multiple times within a few hours at work. No diarrhea, however. Other than that the past weeks have been berry berry good to me.

[Kathleen M.]

That is VERY typical of IBS studies of any kind.It is one of the disorders that always has a very high placebo cure rate. Usually in the 30-50% range.Doesn't matter what kind of study it is.Part of that is the psychosocial interactions between doctor and patient can often make a big difference (the art of healing part of being a doctor which most can't spend the time on because the HMO says they have to see 6 patients a hour). I've been on both sides of clinical research (helping run a study and be a participant).They treat you very well, the listen to you, they make you feel important and cared for, because recruiting someone to replace you if you drop the study is a pain in the freaking butt.All the things that patients need to heal themselves they tend to get when they are in a clinical trial, that is why they do the placebo control. It is also, I think, why some alternative med types do so well. They can spend an hour on your appointments rather than 10 minutes, they listen, they are sure what they are doing will help you (which doctors often can't do as they have to do informed consent with the odds of treatment working).That placebos work so well for so many disorders is one reason some people actually think if we could come up with a way to treat people with placebos without them figuring it out as the first treatment tried it might be better for patients overall (the we always try this first, it is cheap and works well for a lot of people with a low risk of side effects and have blue pills for breathing and green pills for GI or whatever color placebos seem to work best for certain things)K.

[KateyKat]

DireWeeYah said:"Brett, I appreciate that. Since it is not available outside of North America, maybe one of the across-the-pond'ers would like them if they paid the shipping?"I'd be only to happy to pay for shipping AND make a contribution to the cost of the Align if you would consider posting it to UK .... thats if it could get through Customs ...K

[Stay Strong]

Hi John,I got Activia at Smith's on Flamingo (East side of town just before the 95). I actually purchased it the day before Mark posted his info about it. I'll probably try Bifantis again in the future when it hits store shelves and the price will most-likely come down. Activia averages out to about $.50 a day verses $1 a day for Bifantis plus it’s very tasty.I'm actually leaving Las Vegas in a few months. The dry hot summers are brutal on my ibs because of all of the water I need to drink. I'm sure you can relate?

[Funny Gutz]

I ordered on the 3rd, and got a order shipped notice on the 10th. Nothing in the mail today for Veteran's Day.I'm on the exact opposite side of the indicators. I've never drank a day in my life, and D flys out of my butt on it's own propelled by colon spasms. The only straining is from trying to keep it in. I assume that the study asked the participants to describe their condition on a standardized questionaire before the therapy began. After the study was over they go back and see if there was anything in common between those that it helped, and those that it didn't, and these wierd things were the most notable differences that were similar to the groups.Catalina, there should be no unusual problems between the ingredients in this product and prescription medication. This is just freeze dried bacteria in a typical colored medicine capsule with the usual fillers. The stated ingredients aren't anything unsual that you wouldn't find in other medication and considered by the FDA to be "neutral":Bifidobacterium infantis 35624microcystalline cellulosehydroxypropylmethylcellulose capsule USP grademagnesium stearatesugarsodium caseinatesodium citrate dihydratepropyl gallateFD&C blue #2Contains milk and soy ingredients.Lactose free.I'll keep this tread updated too, so hopefully between the two of us we can have a complementary set of observations.I also don't have high hopes for this as a micracle cure. In fact, I seriously doubt just this one thing could make a huge difference. But I do think it is a part of a broad improvement in my intestinal health.