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#1 justaguy377

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 05:41 PM

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Probably a lot of this has been covered on this message board over the years, but i'm trying to summarize what I saw on the Internet while searching a bit today. Many people here have this fecal odor or leaky gas smell on them. One name for this could be the "TAMU" fish smell disorder. Though fish smell is most common, I read it could also have a garbage or feces-like smell. The other causes of the smell are specifically from the anal area, unlike the full body smell of TAMU. Some people complain about pain, moistness, and clear residue (as well as the reaction of others). While others feel pretty much nothing other than possibly a tingling or a feeling of air passing out and know the smell primarily from the reaction of others. For the former, this disorder seem to fit the bill at least somewhat:Pilonidal Cyst (http://www.upmc.com/...?chunkiid=96680)Here is someone describing it on another website:" What many of you are describing are symptoms of a condition known as "pilonidal sinus" or "pilonidal cyst". The reason I know this is because I have been in the medical field for over 15 years and most recently my 16 yr old son had the same problem. He came home from school (he goes to school out of state) and told me that he had this problem and asked me to look at it. At first I asked him what his symptoms were. He told me that it was painful to sit, and that he had this horrible odor even after showering. He also said that when he would change his clothes at night he would find this "stain" on the tail end of his shirt and his underware. When I looked at his buttocks, I immediately saw the "pits" that are the tell tale sign of pilonidal disease and told him what I felt it was but that we needed to go to the doctor for confirmation. Sure enough that is what it was. So we scheduled the surgery (2/01) and we thought everything would be fine. Well now we find ourselves a little over 6 months since the surgery and bang it is back again. The surgeon said he took the tracks and cyst out but somehow it has grown back but in a different area. Now I am going to try a homeopathic remedy since surgery is out of the question. So for those of you who have this "smell" please go to your doctors and have then check in between your butt cheeks. This is usually where the smell emeinates from and it smells just like ####, all the time. It was very embarrassing for my son. He certainly doesn't want to go through that again. Just thought I would give that info since I haven't seen anyone mention it in the posts. Hope it helps. It is also most common in young men between the ages of 15-35. Women can get it but it is less likely. "Here is another guy describing the cause of his smell. He claims it is from an anal fissure:"Here is some info for anyone who suffers from anal odour. I had the same problem for a long time. I finally mustered up the courage and showed it to a gastro surgeon who physically inspected me (sigmodoscopy) and concluded I had an anal fissure. The reason for the odour was that the fissure secreted stuff. Any secretion in that area will get the same smell as ###### coz of the microbes that are present in that area. The solution was to remove this fissure. After a lot of research on the net, speaking to the doctor and using my own common sense here are somethings that would help anyone who is sufferring from this embarrasing problem:1) Any odour from the anal area is not caused by fecal matter getting deposited there.2) Anal odour has nothing to do with how well you clean your self after going.3) the cause of the odour is usually an injury to the anal/rectal area like a fissure, fistula, hemarhoids (piles). The injury causes secretions (like pus) etc which probably harbour the same microbes as fecal matter and therefore emanate the same smell)4) It is not a rare problem and gastro sureons are aware of such symptoms.5) The problem does not go away on its own and can persist for years. This is cause your condition even after healing is susceptible to being inflicted again (you have another bout of constipation). Plus passing stool each day keeps the condition from healing.6) The doc had given me a powerful anti biotic and a cream to be applied to the anal region and it actually worked. But the odour returned 3-4 days after I stopped the medicine. THe doctor said that the fissure has to be removed only then will the symptoms go away completely.7) Control hard stool and constipation. Each time you have one of these you are resetting the problem and undoing any healing that has happened till that day. TO avoid constipation I drink a lot of water. No cokes/coffee etc. THey contain caffine which dehydrates the body. Plenty of green leafy vegetables and fruts for fibre.8) Sitting in a tub full of hot water for sometime 2ice a day would speed up the healing process (in case of fissures and piles)9) Homeopathy is said to work. Though not proven I personally vouch for this form of medicine. It has absilutely no side effects to there is no harm in trying.I hope everyone gets cured of this stupid problem. It can be cured and is not how the human body is designed. Best of luck"For the other group of people, who are convinced the odor is gas or stool smell escaping (as opposed to some obstruction on the skin around the anus area), minor fecal incontinence (gas incontinence) seems to make sense (http://patients.upto...e=digestiv/6793). But a common experience people have, myself included, is that all tests on the anal sphincter strength seem to come in normal. Maybe the problem isn't the sphincter strength per se, but the default position of the sphincter? It isn't completely closed when at rest? I know the smell in my case comes from the anus. I know I get soiling of underwear. I had major constipation and impacted stool when I was much younger and in those days I would get soiling of underwear as well, but once that problem was solved and I started to eat more fiber, etc. the soiling went away for a few years until this whole "leaky gas (LG) problem began and now has persisted for several years. Another thing is that when I evaculate very well the Leaky gas is reduced by a huge amount. That makes me lean toward the idea that my sphincter could be partially open by default and stool odor comes out from inside my body (intestines?) through that opening.I'll be seeing a specialist in a couple months see if they are any help this time around. Last time I had the sphincter strength tests and the camera inside the rectum (not sure what these tests are called but neither was painful), but they found nothing. Hopefully this time they'll find something.Just throwing some things out there. feel free to chime anyone has made any progress with LG recently.


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Posted 21 November 2007 - 05:00 AM

Interesting read , for me I think the odor is coming from leaky gut syndrome.I have had fungusy stools, and when i saw an iridologist he diagnosed a fungus after looking into my eyes even though I told him nothing. My smell emits when I'm exerising, stressed and is the worst when I get irritable bowel symptoms after yeast or sugar. All the best mate
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Posted 22 November 2007 - 12:30 AM

Justaguy~ Thank you for your comment & concern! I was thinking it could be a cyst/gland problem, I actually took matters into my own hands (litterally) and felt around inside my anus and I felt little knots - I have been thoroughly checked by several dr's who say everything looks just fine... it is sooo frustrating to say the least. I am tired of being a social outcast because of my odor. I hate it! I wouldn't care if I had to have surgery every 6 weeks - I would do it to keep the odor away!! I would do ANYTHING to get rid of it.

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 02:11 AM

I think that there are probably a lot of cases of fissures and fistulas and that type of thing that never get properly diagnosed. The type of burning I feel doesn't seem to be associated with hemmorhoids and yet I sometimes find blood on the tissue. And the way it can come and go seems consistent with a condition that might start to heal, like a cut, but then get re-injured just from normal bodily processes. I sometimes use an aloe-based moisturizing suppository for irritation from IBS and when I put it in I can feel a small bump that I assume is a scar from something, yet I'm told everything is fine except for a rectocele which someone FINALLY recognized after how many years!I just don't think that many doctors are very good at recognizing these things and they are quick to dismiss the subject and/or downplay it. I could definitely feel the symptoms of a recto-vaginal fistula after a worthless hysterectomy and sometimes still do but I was told that if I didn't actually have stool coming from my vagina then it simply wasn't possible which I don't buy at all. And it makes sense that a person with a history of GI issues would develop these problems, and that they could cause odors as well due to the location in that part of the anatomy.

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 02:54 AM

hey guysout of curiosity, have you guys ever had bad under arm fecal odor.Mine were absolutely terrible at one stage, but has since come good
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Posted 23 November 2007 - 05:05 AM

And for some of us, it definitely is caused by accumulation of stool in the rectum area. There is no sign of fissures or fistulas, and the smell is only there when constipated or incompletely evacuated (when you can feel there's still some stool in the rectum, right behind the anus, but can't seem to get it out). No weird sensation of burning, no weird sores or openings.I have gotten this semi-controlled, through the daily use of miralax (as a stool softener mostly, natural agents like psyllium and such don't really work nearly as well for me). And small dose of milk of magnesia before bed for those days when even the stool softener doesn't seem to be doing the job and I still get backed up (and still smell, of course). And a rigorous schedule, get up early every morning and just relax, train to go at certain times.As for long term side effects of these medications, I could care less. They're not stimulant laxatives, so dependency is not too big of an issue. Even so, I was dependent on them before I even started taking them, so... when quality of life is zero, you really don't care what steps you have to take to get even partially normalized. Better five years of life mostly smell free, than another fifty stinking in my own stinky corner of hell.

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 10:04 PM

justaguy377 wrote:....my sphincter could be partially open by default ...How do they fix this? Is it with surgery or exercise, both or either?I have what I consider to be leaky gas, but I don't think mine is a problem with my anal sphincter strength. I have to fart immediately and unexpectedly sometimes, but I can hold it in sometimes. It's when I sit on the commode that so much escapes all at once which leads me to believe that I just have too much gas - so much that I sometimes cannot hold it in. I don't know why it comes on so suddenly. That's why, for me, it's so hard to control. If I knew ahead of time when I was going to have gas, I could arrange my schedule around it. I know what makes it worse and what makes it better, but sometimes it just cannot be helped when it comes on unexpectedly. That's what's so embarrassing about it. Another reason why I don't believe it's sphincter strength is because my husband and mother have the problem too. However, my husband and I have both been checked for creatures, and it's all negative. But, I feel like it's something that might be being overlooked. I wish I could figure this out. I have the clear discharge too, but I had two colonoscopies last year, and neither doctor mentioned anything about cysts or fistulas. The last dr. said it's hemorrhoids causing those symptoms. It's interesting reading this website because it's making me realize things that I wouldn't have otherwise. I hope I can at least figure out what's causing it.

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 11:15 PM

Have you ever heard of SIBO , small intestent bacteria overgrowth.?It has been discust on this board before. Some people have overcome it by using antibiotics.My GI wouldn't prescrbe it for me cause he said I would have to be on it the rest of my life.I have had a lot of anitbiotics in my life for sinus/ear infections. None of the ones I had did anything to elminate the odor. Once I read about how they cleaned out the colon and then implanted healthy fecal into the colon.It showed pictures of how they did it. Supposely it helpped some get rid of the odor problem.But I have not found a Dr. that knows about that. Most Drs have told me to learn to live with it.I havae learned to live with it, but others can't live with me. stinkytoo

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 12:45 AM

hi every one , first post :( the original poster is on to something , a Pilonidal Sinus or cyst can cause an extremely foul oder . it's also something that a lot of people have but don't even know about. there is not always a hole ( almost always at the base of the tale bone ) i advise every one to just take your finger and feel for a small lump on your tale bone. ( the very top of your butt crack ) if there is even the smallest of lumps this could be a pilonidal cyst and should be looked at by a doctor to verify . even with no hole the cyst can excrete a horrid smelling white or brown liquid threw the skin ! i have made my descision to get my pilonidal cyst removed ( thats how i came across this site ) and i am hoping / praying this will cure me of the putrid odor that has completly destroyed my life .

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 05:22 PM

I recently had my colonoscopy and the GI Doc did not find any such thing. I think it would have been hard for him not to have found it, especially if it was causing the odor.stinky loo

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 06:00 PM

any of you leaky gassers have much less symptoms when standing rather than sitting? there is a noticeable difference for me.on another point- i know the smell has something to do with the anus, rectum, colon or whatever because i could be standing or sitting face to face with someone and they wouldnt be able to tell i smell, but if i had to sit or stand in front of that same person, guaranteed they would know. i've have enough years of experience with this disorder to know that what i just stated is physically true, judging by people's reactions and such.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 09:22 PM

Hi again Justaguy.I noticed that whenever I eat jalapeno peppers, my symptoms of gas seem to improve. However, I do still have the symptoms, so I don't know how much good it's doing. I read that jalapeno peppers are good at cleaning out impurities. Also, just a note that I usually wait until the weekends to eat beans. I noticed that sometimes I feel better after eating beans even though they produce more gas. I'm going to keep eating them since they're good for me, but I wait until I know I'll be alone or around only my husband or other family. However, I will eat them knowing I'll be around others if I have some acidophilus handy and am craving beans, too.

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 11:31 AM

hi needsuggestions,yeah, i eat beans, broccolli and all the gassy stuff at night for dinner at home. for lunch, when im out of the house, i eat only the foods that give me least trouble- even then i get more gas than i like. ill be trying probiotics soon though to see if they help at all. but even if the gas is cut down drastically, the bigger issue of the whole "leaky gas" problem remains, though it will be less of a burden with overall less flatulence

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 09:57 PM

My excercise lady is always giving health tips.She said that beans are the perfect food. (I was hoping it was chocolate0Anyway I don't seem to get any more gas from beans than I do a lot of other foods including fresh fruits and veggies, sweets or starches.BUT even when I seem to have no gas, the odor is there.stink :(

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 07:01 PM

i ahve noticed this too,even when i dont have gas and have gone to the bathroom and THOUGHT i cleaned uop well,ythe gas smell is still there..i had to leave church one day because of the smell..its embarrasing and making me an outcast too :(

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 09:42 PM

Interesting read , for me I think the odor is coming from leaky gut syndrome.I have had fungusy stools, and when i saw an iridologist he diagnosed a fungus after looking into my eyes even though I told him nothing. My smell emits when I'm exerising, stressed and is the worst when I get irritable bowel symptoms after yeast or sugar. All the best mate

I have the same problem!LG seems to only happen when I have extremely sugary things.After eliminating soda and energy drinks from my diet, I have gone from having it happen 2-3 a day to once every few months,usually during high stress times.Could you tell me what you mean by fungusy stools?Were you able to get a diagnosis for something relating to your tummy , any kind of medicine?I have a pretty good idea my problem is candida/sugar related any advice would be greatly appreciated :(

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 12:30 AM

Hi there, World Traveller here. I noticed you mentioned a couple of things, in regards to anal and rectum smells, as well as some possible solutions as to, why that is. You mentioned something about getting hemorrhoids treated and your doctor prescribing an antibiotic for you, that supposedly helped you and then, after a couple of days, it stopped working. If I can ask, what was this antibiotic that your doctor prescribed to you, for your hemorrhoids? Are you able to share that at all, or is it breaking patient confidentality? If you can share with me, what it is, that'd be great, if not, I understand, because of the confidentiality issue. Anyways, onto another topic, have you ever thought, that if your anal area isn't infected, that it could be producing this smell, because of a anal gland issue, or even possibly a fungus growing inside that area, as that is where, bacteria would feed off of, or being in? The only other things, that are coming to my mind right now, are also possibly rectum cancer, polyps, maybe a tear in the colon/rectum wall, or even this thing, I found out about today, called Porphia, which is a blood problem which, it can actually create an odor? I thought I'd mention this to you, since like you, i as well am, trying to get my life back together piece by piece and get this pain in the butt problem fixed. Let me know if, you come up with any new interesting suggestions, or things that you've looked into, that could be the cause for these constant rectum smells, as well as anything, that you tried that brought you a little bit of relief!! Oh before I forget, I just wondered, if someone has a tear in the colon/rectum lining internally, could a colon cleanse actually heal this lining up by any chance? Let me know. If you could find out. Oh, one other thing. Sorry about that! If a person was, lets say raped anally and you had tests done that confirmed no internal hemorrhoids, no anal fissure, no fistula or infection, do you have any other idea, what might be causing this rectum smell, for a person, that has had this done to them? I ask because some people have had this done to them and they are in the same boat as you and I and still, aren't finding any answers!! Anyways, just thought I'd bring that up. Alright, well talk to you later. Take care.

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 11:04 PM

The most likely cause of leaky gas for most people is incomplete evacuation. The gas isn't digestion gas in the usual sense, but just the smell of faeces coming from the colon. You can usually tell, as you feel uncomfortable, as though you need to go, especially when you sit, and you're trying to hold gas in. The symptoms are never are bad when standing as I suppose there's less pressure on the anus.In my case I probably had a weakened sphincter as well, but then maybe it's just impossible to hold on to too much gas all day. Even the strongest sphincter would eventually give up.The cure is to get up as early as you can so you can completely evacuate. If you don't get leaky gas after doing this then you know what the answer is. I'd try this before going for any expensive tests.

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 11:47 PM

A couple possibilities I came across on the net were Descending Perenium Syndrome, Internal Intussusception, Pelvic Floor Tension Myalgia, and Spasming Spincter (too tight). All of those can for some people cause incontinence, whether that's severe or mild incontinence (passing gas all the time). I read that Defecography and Anal Manometry exams can determine whether you have the first two. They seem like subtle and rare enough conditions that a lot of doctors don't consider them or have those tests done (dunno, the three docs I've seen so far have done a colonoscopy, an ultrasound, and a digital rectal exam, but none have done the above mentioned exams).As I see it, it's pretty much got to be an anal sphincter, rectal, or pelvic floor problem. Stool collects in everyone's rectum, everyone has gas, but few have a constant foul odor. It is most likely anatomically based I feel.

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 12:33 PM

for me i'm thinking spasming sphincter because i've had multiple colorectal surgeons take a look and didnt find any fistulas, fissures or any of those things that they usually diagnose patients with. sphincter strength was also strong from all the tests i have done. two of the doctors have commented on the spasming sphincter, or "too tight" sphincter. i have no idea how such a thing could be cured, but ill ask on my next appointment. i'm sure surgery is an option, although probably a last resort. people with anal fissures have spasming sphincters too so i'll ask about that.bowel movements for me recently have been extremely good, but still the smell.also i have realized i leak urine. im now wondering if the smell is the smell of urine and all these years i've been mistaking it for feces smell. the stains on my underwear are definitely urine stains (i just found this out. surprising that i could mistake urine for feces, but they look somewhat similar). but my gut still tells me i have problems in the anal area as well. this urine thing just complicates matters. leaky urine is easier to deal with though since they have absorbant incontinence pads, and i dont leak too much. leaking feces smell is harder to deal with.





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