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#1 DEUCE CLICK

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 11:59 AM

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This post is under reconstruction. I am getting proper terminology.  I have been very, very busy. Hopefully it will be done by the end of next week.

 

Hello Everybody! I have finally found an answer for my declining health. I have found it through an ancient Japanese form of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) called Kantsetsu Inju Do (specialized herbs and acupuncture), a specific nutritional diet suited for my needs, positive lifestyle changes, mind and body exercises, and through prayer and positiveness in my relationship with God.

 

Here's the post of "My Story" on this site and you can read it for background if you'd like. http://www.ibsgroup....ry-and-theory/. Since then, my views have changed a lot. My name is Corey, and I am 22 now! You and others that have digestive problems truly know how devastating and life changing everything can be. Sometimes the digestive issues are the least problematic, it's the mental and emotional (fear, anxiety, anger, hopelessness, envy, lack of confidence, fatigue, brain dullness) that can be the worst. But we must fight on and never give up.Finally, after 4+ years of constant struggling with numerous, strange symptoms that took over my entire life, as well as thoughts of suicide and being in a state of social solitude, (I cut all my ties off socially, it was rough, but I have found my calling in life.) I have great news. I am recuperating. It will be a long process, but each week I feel better. I am starting to feel stronger as I have finally found a doctor and a mindset of thinking and healing that works. I have tried it all as well. I've been to MD's, Mayo Clinic, Dr. Pimentel, regular TCM, Homeopaths, Naturopaths, Holistic doctors, mysterious illness "experts", and so on over the last 4 years. But I have found my answer in this distinct form of TCM. It isn't your typical form of Traditional Chinese Medicine, it's extremely unique in comparison what most TCM practitioners do as far as treatment and diagnosis. It's called Kantsetsy Inju Do, an ancient form of Japanese herbology and acupuncture. It's truly a life changing, mind-blowing experience. biggrin.png


Having spiritual guidance and positiveness is very important for healing, based on my experience. This isn't to say that someone who isn't spiritual or religious cannot find success using this treatment protocol. For me, spirituality helped because it made me stop feeling sorry for myself, made me less angry, and gave me something to look forward to if I did pass away. Essentially, it made me content, but at the same time gave me more strength to keep fighting onward. I was once an extremely intellectual, pragmatic atheist that thought Christians were stupid idiots. I used to wholeheartedly believe there was no God. But since learning about the realms of health, I have discovered that their is indeed a God. Thankfully, where I live in the KC metro area, I have easy access to IHOP (no, not the restaurant).http://www.ihopkc.org/ It has a church, but where I found myself was the prayer room. I like it because there is no pressure to talk to anyone, or to stand up and sing and dance. You can simply sit and immerse in God's presence. I will also tell you what made me come to Christ, though it took years of suffering for me to finally swallow my pride. I first started feeling ill in January of 2009 but I still didn't think my illness was serious at all. By Easter of 2009 I was still ill, but didn't realize how serious it was because I was an arrogant, prideful 18 year old. My parents dragged my brother and I to church on Easter and during the service the pastor exclaimed, "God is telling me there is someone with digestive problems in the audience and they should come up to receive healing." Of course I thought it was BS and that my parents had told the pastor to say that. It was literally the first time we had gone to church in 2 years, so I thought there was a backdoor deal made. By January 2012 I was at a new low, I had dropped out of school for the 3rd or 4th time, had to quit my job, and cut off ties with most of my friends because I felt so lousy. I didn't feel like dealing with anybody. One day, I went to the aforementioned Prayer Room and the experience was amazing. I felt God's presence as soon as I sat down and then remembered that Easter of 2009. Becoming ill has given me a definition in life. I now want to become a Diplomat of Oriental Medicine. I want to teach the world the true value and meaning of health and wellness. I feel as that on Easter Sunday of 2009, God knew I wouldn't accept his offer, but it would eventually be all the proof I needed to become a saved Christian. It has been about 15 months since then, and I have finally found the methodology of treatment that has helped me.

Now for the physical part that I hope guides you to health. Everyone is unique in their composition and thus may develop unique patterns based on the the six divisions of Yin and Yang .Excess and Deficiency. Exterior, Interior, Cold, and Heat. I myself have a delicate constitution, lots of organ dysfunction/disharmony, I'm 22, I'm male, I'm caring and passionate, and am physically weak and frail. I also display patterns of coldness, dampness, phlegm and deficiency. Even if you have opposite issues-diarrhea, lots of gas, belching, overweight, stagnant patterns, excess patterns, dry patterns, hot patterns, are older, and opposite sex, I still know this information can help you. These patterns are based on looking at the body as a system and is why western medicine is horrible for treatment of digestive problems. I have found that Chinese medicine is great for digestive issues--but the practitioner is the most important. I am sure a lot of you have given up on the medical route by now, but if you haven't, you must! Do not take Xifaxan or any other medications. They will do nothing for long term help. Also, quit thinking that it's SIBO or IBS. That's what western medicine defines it as. It's really an issue with your organs becoming weakened, causing poor digestion, and allowing parasites to rule your body. When I say stop thinking that it's SIBO, I'm not trying to be mean. You do have SIBO, as do I, but the underlying cause is an organ weakness/dysfunction/disharmony, thus allowing the condition SIBO and IBS (amongst others) to occur. But think about it at a deeper level, SIBO and IBS are modern titles given to a problem that has occurred throughout the history of the world. Here lies the problem with western medicine in regards to treating chronic, integrated disorders. It looks only at symptoms and doesn't treat the body as the system that it is. Indeed, Western Medicine has it's place for emergency situations like heart attacks, car wrecks, broken arms, etc. But, when it comes to invasive, chronic illnesses, it is a horrible route to choose, in my opinion. Traditional Chinese medicine views the body as an integrated system and when one organ is lacking another one compensates for it, resulting in numerous symptoms and maladies (some may think they'd rather be dead than suffer, but their is a way to assist your body back to it's natural harmony). This is how the body was designed to work by God, if it weren't we would all die when one organ became weak because it would fail, causing the organism to die.

 

Also, when people have issues like ours, they tend to over-think, be overcautious and over-analyze everything. I know I do. We all tend to take tons of supplements, thinking they are helping us, when really they are hurting our organs (liver, blood) even more.The man I see simplifies everything and allows the patient to feel less stressed, less compulsive, and less rigid! I started seeing this amazing man about 7 weeks ago and he has changed my life drastically. It's ultra traditional and uses herbs and acupuncture points that most do not understand or employ. The herbs and acupuncture he administers to you are completely individual. What I mean by this is that he uses herbs/acupuncture that work with your body's uniqueness-it's symptoms, patterns, composition, age, etc. To diagnose, he uses pulse testing to determine what organ patterns you exhibit. He taught me to look at the body completely different. Illness starts when one organ is lacking vitality, and this causes other organs to compensate. Over time, this changes the body's perfect system as one organ compensates for another. But this is also what is amazing about the human body. If it didn't do this, death would occur because of that organ failing. When organs compensate for another this can cause weakness or another negative pattern in the body, resulting in different health problems, and in our case poor digestive organ functioning. In my case, I had a weak constitution at birth due to being premature. This caused my lungs to not develop all the way. Therefore, my body wasn't ready for solid food, as I should have still been getting nutrition from the womb. This began to burden my digestive organs. (The Chinese term is Spleen, which encompasses the stomach, intestine, spleen, and pancreas as far as I know.) Due to my weak constitution, my kidneys worked very poorly and began to develop a "Cold" condition. I have always felt cold and had fear, which is likely due to my kidneys and/or lungs being weak. Eventually my digestion (spleen qi) became incredibly weak and I started my journey to this website because I thought I developed "IBS" or "SIBO". After getting this diagnosis of patterns from  he gave me an acupuncture treatment on the spot that harmonized my body. It felt amazing! He also gave me herbs to assist my body's towards healing and harmonization.

 

There are steps for diet and exercise. This is the diet that best suits my patterns. Since your patterns will likely differ from mine, your diet could be completely different, but will still lead you towards health. I am eating building foods like wild game meats (pheasant, quail, elk, buffalo, cornish hen, salmon, cod, ostrich, venison), and starchy vegetables (carrots, yellow squash, butternut squash, yams, parsnips, turnips, rutabegas, beets. I also eat greens that are warming (Kale and Mustard Greens). I eat the onion family as well (onions, garlic, scallions, shallots, leeks). For oils I use Sesame Oil, Coconut oil, and Ghee. For spices I use sea salt, black pepper, cayenne, garlic, ginger, cinnamon, cardamom, coriander, dill and tarragon. Everything I eat is cooked, and I prepare it baked, sauteed, stir-fried, steamed or boiled. As far as beverages, I drink only warm or hot tea. It's ok to have some room temperature water but avoid cold water. Also, make sure your water source is filtered and remineralized. He makes a warming blend, called Tea of Joy that is amazing. I also enjoy a cinnamon blend and a ginger blend from Whole Foods. I can also use tiny amounts of honey to sweeten the tea. For my constipation, I use 1.5 tsp of Natural Calm (it's a magnesium supplement) with a quarter of a lemon and 2 teaspoons of honey each morning and each evening, and it has helped a lot. Also, make sure, if possible that all your food is organic, whole food! As far as physical, spiritual, mental, and emotional exercise, he recommends Qi Gong, Tai Chi, Yoga, Jin Shin Jyutsu, and Meditation as well as positive exercises like walking, stretching, reading, and enjoying nature. Then as you get stronger you can jog, run, play sports, and lift weights. TV, Video Games, and Computer are ok in moderation but shouldn't be the basis of your entertainment. I've only been seeing him for about 7 weeks now, and It has been the best 7 weeks of my life since I started feeling ill in early 2009!

I hope this helps everyone on here! biggrin.png If you have any questions regarding symptoms/traits/patterns/views of health and wellness don't hesitate to reply here or private message me. I would like to become a doctor and change the way the world thinks about disease and wellness. I especially want to focus on incurable diseases like IBS, Crohn's, Chronic fatigue, fibromyalagia, autoimmune disorders, diabetes, autism, ALS, ADHD, Cancer, Morgellon's and all mental illness, etc. I know they are all caused by a disharmony in our organs one way or another. Parasites of any kind can cause various conditions, too. Also, I believe abuse and trauma can be displayed and can cause as illness as well, and people can be helped if they follow the right path towards wellness.


Edited by DEUCE CLICK, 06 May 2013 - 09:35 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:47 PM

This story is not embellished in any way. It is completely factual. This is no advertisement. It's an avid testimonial. It isn't a magical cure. In order for a body to heal, the majority of the work is on You. You must be willing to change your diet, change your lifestyle, and even change your hobbies in order to feel well again. It is possible, our bodies were intended to heal if given the proper guidance. Some may think it's too good to be true, some may feel that if ancient techniques of medicine are so effective, why aren't they used today more. It's just because it isn't the norm in today's society to use Chinese Medicine. Think back hundreds, thousands of years ago. This is what these societies used for healing. You don't know if it won't work if you don't try. I know a lot of you will brush it off and dismiss it because it's "weird", "different", and "foreign". I'm not making promises, but wouldn't it be better than playing the guessing game with modern medicine. Why not try something outside the box?

 

I feel I need to further explain how the human body works as well as the direction of modern, western medicine compared to ancient techniques of healing. I am not trying to bash on modern, western medicine as it does have it's strengths. But for IBS/SIBO, I think it is a poor choice. I respect everyone's opinion and where they are at in life. It has taken 4.5 years of my life during the period of life in which most people truly find themselves, for better or worse. I got ill during my senior year of high school at age 18 and have finally found relief at age 22. I have had some very low points during this time. For invasive, chronic, interior symptoms and conditions I feel that western medicine does not treat the body as a system as nature intended. Here's how the system is set up today. You feel digestive problems, then you go to the gastroenterologist for them to tell you what is wrong. But why must we go to a doctor of western, modern medicine? Most do because it's all they know. That's what I did for most of the 4 years. I started with modern medicine, then naturopathy, then finally traditional chinese medicine. A lot of people also go to western medicine because it's covered by their insurance. What most fail to realize is that it will end up costing more to see numerous doctors of western medicine, year after year, all with no relief. And a lot of people use western medicine under the guise or yearning of a quick fix. There is no quick fix for IBS or any chronic, interior illness. A lot of you have become accustomed to your symptoms and think you have done all you can, but better days could be possible of you try.

 

Here's how modern medicine treats people today. They simply look at the symptoms, but not the cause of the symptoms. Sure, some medications offer moderate relief, but to me that's not enough. But most people don't ever find relief. That's why this forum exists. People then figure they will try another expert and go to another gastroenterologist. They hear the same thing, different day. Numerous tests, same drugs, same diet.

 

So what do I think you should ALL do instead of going to a gastroenterologist? Go see a practitioner or Diplomat of Traditional Chinese Medicine. But don't go to any random practitioner or diplomat. They must have a certain expertise (Pre-Revolutionary Traditional Chinese Medicine) for it to work with your body correctly. Call the number of the practitioner I recommended and he might know of someone in your area that can help.

 

Here's how chinese medicine looks at the body.  It is an integrated system, and when one is perfectly healthy, all organs perform as the perfect system. But organs sometimes don't perform as well as they should, as we all know. This is because if one organ becomes dysfunctional then another must compensate. At first, no one notices anything wrong. After some time, the organ that is overcompensating becomes dysfunctional and this causes dysfunction of another organ. Eventually a whole organ system essentially becomes dysfunctional (in our case digestive, which thus affects numerous other systems), resulting in horrible symptoms that we all have. But chinese medicine can regain function of this system if you work with it. Diet is imperative, lifestyle is imperative, Patience is imperative. It's not an overnight fix, either. It's relatively simple as well. It's an acupuncture treatment as well as herbs, either in tea form or capsule form. The lifestyle and dietary changes are the tough part.

 

Think about it like this, hundreds and thousands of years ago what kind of medicine did people use? They didn't take pills and didn't rely on technology for medical testing and procedures. Western Medicine looks at the symptom or condition and not the causation. IBS is what they diagnose you with when they have no real answer. In reality it's a pattern of organ dysfunction that results in our vast symptoms. I know chinese medicine can help people with IBS-D, IBS-C, SIBO, etc. You just have to try! SIBO can be looked at the like this. The condition is simply an overgrowth of bacteria in your small intestine, but they still have no idea what causes this in western medicine. That's because they don't view the body as a whole, unified system. I'd look at it like this: the reason the bacteria proliferate in the small intestine is because the functional motility of the gut has been impaired due to organ dysfunction and weakness. These digestive systems are so deficient and lack so much qi (energy) that they are practically dormant. The migrating motor complex (MMC) becomes extremely dormant and dysfunctional. This allows bacteria from the large intestine to travel into the small intestine. All the other symptoms we have can be tied to organ dysfunction/disharmony as well. The bloating is either gas from the bacteria digesting your food or it's poorly digested food that travels throughout your intestine.

 

The reason I am writing this is because their were points in my life where I thought I was going to die. There were points I thought my life would be defined by my long-suffering. I can empathize with how you feel. Now, after about 7 weeks seeing this man, I feel like i have the energy and mental acuity that I had in high school, before I became ill. I have so much more energy than I have had in so long; I don't know what do with it all. Right now, I'm not enrolled in school, have no job, and am so thankful that my parents are supporting me with everything financially. My job is to get well. I know most of you are not as lucky, as you have jobs, kids, work, bills,etc. I have so much time and I feel like I need to give back to people who aren't as lucky. I have so much passion for all people with IBS or any chronic, "incurable" disease or condition. I urge you to give chinese medicine a try.biggrin.png



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 03:45 PM

Thank you so much for sharing your story!

How is it going on now? Hope you have recovered completely since then.



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Posted 02 August 2018 - 05:08 PM

Thank You for posting this, could you please post the name of your Kantsetsu Inju Do practitioner you use.

 

I am really having trouble finding a TCM that I trust.

 



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Posted 02 August 2018 - 06:49 PM

Good post, I liked it.

 

A couple of comments:

 

You said you were taking 1.5 tsp of Natural Calm (it's a magnesium supplement) each morning and each evening. 

 

You also said, "We all tend to take tons of supplements, thinking they are helping us, when really they are hurting our organs (liver, blood) even more."

 

Well, you're still taking a supplement, magnesium, and that's twice a day. So what would happen if you stopped taking it?



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Posted 24 September 2018 - 03:07 PM

I have been trying to research healing SIBO with Traditional Chinese Medicine, and I found your post on this forum.
I believe I have SIBO (Methane type) though I haven't taken the breath test to confirm.  A bout of food poisoning set it off, though I have had some minor gut/ digestion issues previously.  I have never been so sick in my life, and just digesting food and getting nutrition into my body is taking all of my energy.  No joke.  Abdominal pain/ nausea/ bloating / lack of appetite/ slow digestion (especially if I eat one wrong thing!) I tried working with an ND and taking antimicrobial herbs (coptis which is a berberine) but then I thought I had gastroperesis from the bugs.  I went to get acupuncture, and my acupuncturist told me that the coptis was making me more sick, causing stagnation, when what I need to be doing is creating warmth, movement, digestive fires.  That I should stop thinking of it as SIBO, pathologizing it, but that I have weak digestion, spleen/ stomach chi deficiency, and to work on that, and my system will heal naturally.  It is so challenging how the different systems view the body, and the view of "killing bugs" and eradicating the SIBO, vs. supporting the body to heal by supporting the organs and digestion as a whole system, as in TCM.  My acupuncturist is giving me an individualized formula, and I am receiving acupuncture 2x / week, which always helps.  Though every day I am having symptoms, and it can be so so challenging to work with the anxiety as I lose weight, and have a hard time eating, figuring out what to eat that won't trigger symptoms and therefore decrease my appetite more.  Also the diet recommendations are different with TCM as with the SIBO community that just advised low FOD MAPS.  For example, my acupuncturist said that red potatoes are OK, and I ate them last night and had severe bloating and felt sick all through the night and still experiencing sickness/ nausea/ no appetite today.  She recommends drinking lots of bone broth, but of course bone broth with cartilage has high FOD MAPS, which can trigger symptoms.  It is so very confusing navigating this illness.  I am just wanting some reassurance that you can truly heal from SIBO with Traditional Chinese Medicine.  Thank you for your help.  Rebecca


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 01:14 PM

I'm sorry. There's no such concept as bacteria in Chinese Medicine. SIBO can never be diagnosed or cured by Chinese Medicine.



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Posted 28 June 2019 - 12:41 AM

For functional digestive disorders, Eastern approach triumphs West







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