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Posted 19 May 2017 - 12:59 AM

I wonder if the vibration is helping work the vagus nerve angle, still vibration comes in many forms.  I use noise vibration as I am sensitive and everything wakes me up.  Exercise is super good for us and is a vibration of a different sort as well.  Talking is a vibration and good for us socially, but can be painful for me at times.  I am going to buy into this concept of mgi's as well, it's summertime and the heating pad just isn't going to fly.  I also use hot epsom salt baths to get some relief as well.  Mostly I feel better when I just don't eat, this seems to turn the digestive process off and I feel better all around.



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Posted 19 May 2017 - 04:47 AM

Matt, Sounds like you had a lot going on to leading to your IBS attack. Waking early doesn't help with feelings of panic and then out of normal routine?  Any thoughts  on here are what people find helps them and it's up to others what they decide to do or not do based on this. None of us are doctors and people should realise this.  Isn't it like that in the states?  Don't take to heart what family says at times. Sounds like they like winding you up. My husband says I wind him up and I suppose I need to not be as critical.

I suppose being in NZ we don't hear everything about the news in the States, only the important stuff so we aren't bombarded with it maybe like you are? My husband doesn't read stuff like in the States as he finds it too upsetting. 

 What herbal tea did you drink?



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Posted 19 May 2017 - 09:32 AM

Thanks, Movement and vibration really are critical to my well being. Whether it is music (jazz), a sunrise in Hawaii, exercise (I like Tai Chi), a walk in the woods, the very relaxing vibrator plate, sex in the morning (which is some kind of wonderful thanks to my gorgeous and loving wife). IBS would have us curl into a ball and lay still, afraid of it.  We cannot give it that power over us.

 

Matt 



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Posted 22 May 2017 - 05:33 AM

I am keeping on exercising.

I am registering quite consistent and stable results.

Thank You once again Matt.

 

The things that works better for me:

 

1) The deep bowel vibration therapy

2) The diet

 

I keep on the diet, Let me suggest You all to read all You can find about the "Fast Mimicking Diet"    https://en.wikipedia...ki/Valter_Longo

 

Dr. Longo's book - Italian language  https://www.ibs.it/d...AQ&gclsrc=aw.ds I just do not know if there is an English version of it.

 

3) Vitamin D - better from sun exposure during the safe(healthy) hours of the day;

 

4) Ashwagandha (good quality integrator) - helps with depression and improve sleep quality 

 http://www.webmd.com...ngredientid=953

 

5) May help somehow also low or (very low) dosage of SSRI drugs Paroxetine OR Citalopram OR (less effective) S-Adenosyl methionine  https://en.wikipedia...osyl_methionine

 

I am actually using low dosage Citalopram, very useful above all for -IBS related -seasonal depression sufferers

 

 

6) Mebeverine - in my experience not to be taken while using SSRI -  https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Mebeverine This drug is one of the most effective in the treatment of IBS and the associated abdominal cramping.

 

 

This is only my experience, I am not a doctor.

 

Take care

 

Best regards


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 11:57 AM

Hi Il Re

 

I am glad it is continuing to work. And thank you for bringing up the elephant in the room. Seratonin

 

My wife believes it works because it results in increased blood flow and oxegenation of the gut. The gut accounts for 80% of our seratonin production. Deep Bowel Vibration Therapy both likely increases the sertonin production and its distribution throughout the body.

 

When I do it in the moning for 10 minutes, I am calmer throughout the day (calm equals no IBS episodes). When I do it for the 10 minutes right before bed, I immediately go to sleep (as opposed to my usual insomia). Both of these are seratonin effects. Everyday at noon I spend 30 minutes in the sun. (Vitamin D and seratonin)  

 

I have tried SSRIs and they made me sick and unproductive. So this natural seratonin production process is my alternative. The plate vibrator is possibly the natural seratonin stimulation process I have been looking for.

 

 

I do not bevlieve it matters if we are depressed because we hurt or we hurt because we are depressed. The end result is the same.

 

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 04:11 PM

 

 

I have tried SSRIs and they made me sick and unproductive. So this natural seratonin production process is my alternative.

 

I tried many SSRI drugs before achieve some results. I had-have a very good psychiatric specialist.

 

I want to write about this because I just think that in many cases could be a big mistake not to use these drugs to fix depression problems so often linked with this damn IBS thing.

 

But as I wrote I totally understand people not having -or had- bad experiences with these drugs. Sometimes could worth to give it a second, third or even more try.

My life quality has totally improved using the right medication.

In my case a very low dosage works perfectly.  

 

Anyhow Matt I keep on the DBVT and It always helps.

 

And I thank You for that



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 02:24 AM

We have been speculating on the reasons why DBVT (Deep Bowel Vibration Therapy) seems to alleviate the symptoms of IBS. I decided to do a little science.

 

Thanks to my wife I have a Stethoscope with a blue tooth connection to my computer. I have been recording my bowel sounds every hour for the past few days, and especially before and after running the plate vibrator.  I then do some fancy signal processing and quantify the sounds. The results are not what I expected. DBVT always immediately calms down my bowel sounds and the effect lasts 4 or 5 hours. The reduction is between 70 and 80%. Even when I run plate vibrator when my bowels are quiet, it does not increase the sounds.

 

SO here is my theory. My IBS is the result of negative feedback loop. When my bowels are rolling (IBS sufferers know what I am talking about) I began to perceive some of the pressure and bloating sensations as pain. THE PAIN causes me to stress or tense up, which inevitable results in more rolling (the very definition of a negative feedback loop) until my gut suffers a catastrophic failure and I dump out. DBVT seems to short circuit the loop, stopping the rolling. It is similar to what Imodium does but without the frequent side effect of possible constipation due to temporary lower bowel paralysis. It is also interesting that DBVT does not seem to result in more passing of gas. The gas that was rolling just seems to reabsorb in the bowels.

 

The stopping of the rolling could have either a chemical (Serotonin?...) or a physical cause (nerve fatigue caused by sensory overload). It would need to be studied to figure it out. I will put out some graphs in the next few days.

 

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:47 AM

Up!

 

This Topic should be on top that what Matt is sharing here deserve attention.

 

I am continuing the exercises with good results.

 

I can't do DBVT exercises each and every day. But I would like to.

 

Hope to read updates from Matt.

 

 

Ciao



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Posted 24 June 2017 - 11:03 AM

Hi

 

I have been out of town for a few weeks. I did not have my plate and after about a week things went sour for my IBS. I am back on it now and am much better. I have invented a new much smaller DBV machine with better speed control that can go with me when I travel. It is also just much more convenient to use. If there is interest I might start do a kickstarter, to pay for the plastic molds and engineering.

 

Matt



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:16 AM

Hi there Matt,

 

the idea of a travel DBVT machine is very good for me.

 

I just hope to read much more about the ev. interest of the other people.

 

Best wishes and greetings

 

IL RE



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Posted 08 August 2017 - 08:43 AM

Hi there Matt,

 

any update? The DBV is working nicely and I am pretty curious to know about the smaller DBV machine.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:05 PM

Here is my wife's theory.

 

Pathophysiologically speaking (nurse talk), The  deep massage promotes blood flow in the bowels. Stress is a frequent trigger of IBS. Stress causes vaso constriction which decreases both the oxygen supply and the production and distribution of critical lymphatic and neural maintinance chemicals in the gut.

 

Did you know the human gut has 200 million neurons? As many as is in a dog or cats brain.

 

 

I think this theory if more likely than anything with the microbiome.  I have had my microbiome sequenced dozens of times and its normal but yet i suffered from ibs for 2 years.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:30 AM

"Hi

 

I have been out of town for a few weeks. I did not have my plate and after about a week things went sour for my IBS. I am back on it now and am much better. I have invented a new much smaller DBV machine with better speed control that can go with me when I travel. It is also just much more convenient to use. If there is interest I might start do a kickstarter, to pay for the plastic molds and engineering.

 

Matt "

 

 

 

 

Hi there Matt, how are You dear Sir.?

No update anymore? Hope you are well.

Please let us know some more about You and DBV therapy

 

TYA

 

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:50 AM

Hi,

 

I took a break for a while. My IBS is still under good control. The key for me has been to try to beneficially manipulate my internal chemical cocktail without resorting to pharmaceuticals. As you may have noticed I also suffer from occasional depression. I come by it honestly, both of my parents suffer from it also (also IBS on my mom's side). In reality there is no "reason" for it in my life. It is not like my sucks or anything. In fact I am sure there are many who would love to have my life. My IBS and depression issues are both chemical imbalances, most likely genetic in origin.

 

So how have I been dealing with it?

 

It starts in the morning.

 

  • I usally wake up very early (4:30 or so, I hear it happens to a lot of men past 50, not so great)
  • I move my side of the bed into a "zero G" position, put on the noise cancelling headphone and eye covers, and do a sensory deprivation thing (see Stranger Things, but no monsters). It is alot like my float tank but without all the hassle (my float tank is put up in the grarage now). I have the most vivid and wierdest lucid dreams for the next hour or so.
  • I set the alarm for 30 minutes before my wife and I have to get up (around 6)
  • We spoon, suggle, talk and most mornings do what I call a slide. (5 or ten minutes of " I am really happy to see you", I always keep a little coconut oil on the bedside table to facilitate the slide, we never "finish" here, it is just to wake up with a smile, and get and give a hint of what may happen tonight.
  • I get up and turn on her shower, and bathroom heater, then I turn on the dry sauna to about 130 degrees.
  • I then make a protien smoothie for both of us.
  • I then return to the bedroom and encourage her to get out of bed. Stealing the blankets and then talking about how warm the the bathroom is, usually does it. Sometimes I have to resort to tickling her feet but I do that at my own peril.
  • As she showers and gets ready to go. I get in the sauna. I built an extra bench and installed a foot box so I can lie down when I want. I put the vibration plate (described previously)  on the cushions and set it on low, put a piece a foam on it and then sit on it. My legs are usually pulled up in lotus, but sometimes my feet are just on the cushions. I put on noise cancelling headphones and and an eye cover. and just sit there for 20 minutes. It is really relaxing.
  • Then I get up and go shower
  • I then log on to my computer and start to do lawyerly and computer programming stuff.
  • I usally take a 30 minute nap around 1.
  • Then I work some more until around 4 or 5.
  • In the evenings I usually read.
  • Most nights, my wife and I make love. We can both beg off if we are not feeling up to it, with no hurt feelings, but to be honest that is pretty rare. We still pretty much act like teenagers even after 34 years of marraige. She's pretty much my childhood sweetheart, we met when we were kids and have been together ever since.
  • About 2 out of three nights she gets vanilla, her favorite. It is relatively short, soft, gentle and may or may not end with anything. No pressure.
  • About every third night I get a "bean feast" (see willie wonka) it is 2+ hours of wonder and your (or my) wildest imagination.
  • Then we go to sleep.
  • And start again.

 

It has been about 6 months since my last serious IBS episode. I am happy, mostly, and when I am not, I work on it until I am.

 

Matt



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 07:27 AM

So,

 

Some of you are probably wondering why I would share seemingly intimate details of my life. It is simple. I am self-medicating. My daily routine is an alternative to SSRI therapy. SSRIs make me sick and destroy my sex drive, which I happen to enjoy having. The aforementioned drive also serves as a critical component to a happy marriage which I also enjoy having. The key to any medication program is that it must be consistent and in regular doses. You can see, somewhat embarrassingly, that my dosing is consistent and in regular doses. (Note, that I also work out a few times a day. 30 minute sessions)  I am just thankful that my wife is willing to go along with this protocol. I admit that I exhaust her sometimes, but I try do everything in power to make it up to her and make her smile. I simply try to make her life easier and happier and she helps me do the same with mine.

 

Matt



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 09:02 AM

You may have noticed that what I did was take each of my "IBS triggers" and transformed them into regular doses of serotonin. (sex,exercise,sauna,,vibration plate,work stress). The reason they were triggers before is that they were slugs of serotonin dropping into an empty system. The result was systemic chaos. Feast or famine as you will. Once I recognized the triggers as doses and regularized their input, I never let my body get too low, so each event was simply sustaining a preexisting higher baseline level.

 

I know that a SSRI is supposed to work the same way. But when I was on SSRIs, I lost all my drives, including my creativity. I felt moderately happy but never felt truly alive. I have my mojo back and no IBS, cant ask for more than that.

 

Matt



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Posted 31 December 2017 - 04:22 AM

Hi Matt,
thank You very much indeed for sharing Your personal experience with us!

I recently moved to live to the Canary Islands. My work allow me to live where I like, I just need to be connected to the web.
Part of the reason I decided to stay here is the extremely good climate and the possibility to practice surf and sea related sports all year round. This help me a lot to keep my life healthy and joyful.

Happy New Year & best wishes for the realization of all your desires!

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:10 PM

Hello,

Any updates from those who are using this vibration therapy?

thanks,

Kay

 



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Posted 11 August 2019 - 12:04 PM

Hi just joined as I was googling 'whole body vibration' and IBS.

 

I know there has not been any discussion in a while but there has indeed been scientific update, a paper has been released.

https://www.eurekale...g-wbv080219.php

https://www.mdpi.com.../20/13/3125/htm

 

It looks like whole body vibration changes the microbiota in mice, and probably in humans too. Now I've read the success the OP had with using a simple vibration plate I have to try this for my IBS. Vibration is seen as an 'exercise mimetic', giving some of the benefits of exercise without having to do any. However the change in microbiota seems greatly increased with vibration compared to exercise alone.

 

Very interesting stuff!



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Posted 26 May 2020 - 09:03 PM

How long did you do this for your ibs? Did you have ibs d?







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