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Posted 01 June 2003 - 02:09 AM

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Hey All. Heres my story. I was diagnosed with Acid Refulx about 5 years ago. I was prescribed Aciphex and Prilosec, and other PPI's. Well, today my refulx is gone. BUT I have a worse problem. Ever since I started the PPI's, I have CONSTANT GAS. I have the kind of gas where I will bloat up so huge it looks like I am pregnant, and it is painful even to touch my stomache. If I do touch it, press down, it makes the worst rumbling noises. I KNOW it is gas, because eventually (hours later) I will pass it, and the bloat will go away. But......it comes back again! I have tried Hyocosamine (spelling?), Anti Spaz and Zelnorm, the New "miralce" drug for IBS, and all it did for me was give me diarrhea and increase my gas thus fore. Gas X doesn't help, I have tried a million over the counter products, even once called "Bowel Sooth" (which, I have to say, Has claimed to seriously help thousands with IBS, so maybe it will work for you if are you looking for an alternaitve...) but it didn't work for me. I just do NOT know what to do. It is NOT related to my diet, because I have even tried FASTING for 48 hours and I STILL HAVE GAS!! I also get diarrhea more than the average person. I am seriously thinking the PPI's caused all of this, but I have been off of them for years,and the gas still comes back EVERY DAY, several times a day. I am always passing gas!! Other than the gas and poor digestion because of it, I am in well health, and am a 21 year old female. I try to eat well and exercise, but since I bloat up the minute I eat anything, and sometimes when I don't eat anything, it is hard to have a healthy diet. If ANYONE can help me, please write!! My doctor is a renouned GI, but it takes me 4 months to get an appointment and then all he does is hand me some pills and say "try this." I know gas isn't the worlds biggest health problem, but still, it is ruining my life.Write please =)

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 02:50 AM

Hi Leesa, I wish I could be of more help, but I am alot like you and the only thing...and I mean only thing...that works, or rather helps alot is drinking lots of water. I drink between 6 -8 glasses a day...and when I start to feel bloated and/or gassy I will grab a glass of water. This may really help you out...I hope it does. I know it is very, very hard to drink water, but it gets easier each day that passes...honest Posted Image rain

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 03:09 AM

You say that it is not related to diet because you fast for 48 hrs..... not necessarily true.Food eaten 48 hours ago is probably still in you and being worked over by a surplus of bacteria and yeast.Here is what i think -- and it may or may not be the case. I read that the medications that treat excess acid (like prilosec) are horrible in that they can take the stomach pH to 4 or 5. That is the pH that is ideal for many types of yeast/fungus. It is very possible that you have the problem that I used to have. I am convinced that you have intestinal dysbiosis of some type or another.You sound identical to the way I used to be. The treatment is torture. I had to completely eliminate all sugar including fruit. I had to eliminate all grain (wheat, etc), dairy and dozens of other foods. Then, I had to go on 2 long courses of anti-fungals which did incredible things for me. Then I had to consume large quantities of anti-bacterial and anti-fungal herbs including garlic (raw-crushed) (I seem to have to be on the herbs every other day to maintain my gas free state). Then I also had to add a probiotic (primal defense).I went from passing incredible amounts of gas to almost none. Once I start eating sugar again--it comes back. I also had the identical bloat that you mention. My belly would swell to unbelievable levels.I have some type of recurring fungal overgrowth which is related to dozens of food intolerances.

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 06:04 AM

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ou say that it is not related to diet because you fast for 48 hrs..... not necessarily true. Food eaten 48 hours ago is probably still in you and being worked over by a surplus of bacteria and yeast.
Bacteria turn undigested food into gas instantaneously. The bulk of undigested material is converted in a few hours at most.Therefore, the gas must be from the atmosphere. You could get an x-ray to see where the gas is. If it is your stomach, then you have it confirmed.
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I read that the medications that treat excess acid (like prilosec) are horrible in that they can take the stomach pH to 4 or 5.
These drugs don't seem to have this effect, at least not to the point of clinical significance.
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Posted 01 June 2003 - 06:11 PM

To FLUX- Do you think it would do any good to fast for longer than 48 hours, since as you said food eaten 48 hours ago can still be in your system? I would prefer to not use this method, but I will do anything to get some answers. Also, what do you think of "fungal" or bacteria growth possibly in my stomache? My gas is often very foul smelling and lately I am having it more and more. (also, I am probably an aberration here, but ZELNORM seems to be making my gas worse!) Errr...to only be NORMAL.Thanks =)

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 06:51 PM

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Do you think it would do any good to fast for longer than 48 hours,
No, but you could ask your doctor to try to confirm it with x-rays.
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Posted 01 June 2003 - 07:56 PM

I am guessing that if you flushed yourself both rectally and orally to be absolutely certain that you are empty and then fast--- the gas would disappear. If it does not then I would follow the advice of (moro...) errr...flux.I would start the fast after you were sure that you were empty, and then consume nothing (not even gum or coffee which could stir something up).Then keep the fast going until the gas comes back and I don't think it would

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 11:53 PM

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I am guessing that if you flushed yourself both rectally and orally to be absolutely certain that you are empty and then fast-
This is not at all necessary and can be ignored.
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Posted 02 June 2003 - 12:55 AM

flux babe, you really turn me on with your knowledge but my husband says he wants me for himself! So long! Posted Image I will still campaign for you for President though.

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Posted 02 June 2003 - 04:16 PM

Leesa, 24 % of the American population is afflicted by aerophagia according to a paper written in 1995. Biofeedback, abdominal breathing and progressive relaxation of muscles can help your condition if your gas is indeed coming from the atmosphere. Reference: Swallowing and Emotional State Dig Dis Sc 1995 40: 282:6

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Posted 02 June 2003 - 04:30 PM

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24 % of the American population is afflicted by aerophagia according to a paper written in 1995.
Where did you get that from? The paper is actually about swallowing rate, not aerophagia. And they first discovered that swallowing rate changes during stress for the first time.
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Posted 02 June 2003 - 05:18 PM

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Where did you get that from?
From the same paper. I am pretty sure they said aerophagia. I didn't copy the paper. Just found it in the library but am back from there. I know you make some distinction between aerophagia and real aerophagia so I don't know if there is a problem in the terminology. Will check for it the next time I go there. Yes the paper was about swallowing rate and they said these methods stated above would help the swallowing rate and so I assume aerophagia since that is a result of swallowing?

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Posted 02 June 2003 - 07:58 PM

Yup, they said aerophagia.Edited:They cited the reference- A national survey of functional gastrointestinal disorders in the US. The Rome multinational diagnostic criteriaDig Dis Sc 39-1569-1580They said, quote, " this high prevalence of aerophagia in the general pop. is likely to have contributed to the finding of a gas factor(including eructation, flatus, belching acid, and possibly heartburn and borborygmi) in three recent factor analysis studies using nonclinical samples."They also said a new eloctromyographic technique for detecting swallows was used.

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Posted 02 June 2003 - 08:12 PM

flux, I have edited my previous post. But need to add this-time ran out- I am copying the paper in case you have further questions

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Posted 02 June 2003 - 09:50 PM

flux are you are around, babe? Sorry. I shouldn't flirt. Are you around President Flux? It is amazing that this is the first time they discovered that stress was associated with increased swallowing. It seems intuitive. Don't know if it is because I have read about it so muchThey also say that "excessive swallowing more than in frank aerophagia " may either produce or exacerbate or produce GI symptoms.What is frank aerophagia?

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Posted 02 June 2003 - 11:05 PM

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this high prevalence of aerophagia in the general pop. is likely to have contributed to the finding of a gas
They're actually talking about belching rate, which may not have much to do with either aerophagia or swallowing rate.Frank Aerophagia..I don't know may be there is a person by that name. But I do think the only thing they know about in the paper is increasing the swallowing rate and they merely inferred more air would be swallowed as a result of that.
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Posted 02 June 2003 - 11:19 PM

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Frank aerophagia.. there may be a person by that name
LOL. They cite this paper, "frequency of swallowing in duodenal ulceration and hiatus hernia". Will have to read it up.

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 01:28 AM

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 02:05 AM

Naughty, naughty!. Getting in on the same thread as flux. Now whom do I call babe? Posted Image The cornfields have been tended to all by my lonely self. No flux or you to give me company.

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 08:42 PM

This sounds very similar to what happened to me.

 

I developed unexplained nighttime reflux and was prescribed Prilosec. Almost instantly, I developed severe bloating in my lower GI that traveled all the way up my upper GI, and I still have sever bloating after eating or drinking pretty much anything.

 

After wasting time with several GI specialists, I finally found one who figured out that I was infected with h. pylori. I was given standard triple therapy (clarithromycin, amoxicillin and lansoprazole) which eliminated the h. Pylori (and reflux), but the constant debilitating bloating never got better. (It got so bad that i developed severe hypertension that required medication.)

 

I have tried many different antibiotics, but the only combination that knocks the bloating down temporarily is azithromycin (250 mg) + doxycycline (100 mg) twice per day. Adding an Advil to this combination seems to help a bit also. If you haven't tried that combination, I would definitely give it a shot! (These are generally considered non-standard antibiotics for IBS, so you may need to prod your GI doctor to prescribe them for you.)

 

I can manage on this medication regimen, but am planning on adding Bactrim to the combination to see if I can eliminate it once and for all! (Before combining other antibiotics, it's always a good idea to check the combination on drugs.com, to verify that there are no dangerous interactions.

 

Did you ever get relief from your symptoms?







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