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Posted 03 July 2006 - 12:19 PM

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I have seen quite a bit of information on this site but no real diet plan for IBS. I am not sure why not. Are some of you not aware of the triggers caused by your diet alone? I stay on a strict diet for my IBS: no fried, fatty foods, no preservatives, Kosher meat, if any, no gas causing vegies or fruit, no whole grain breads, only white or rice bread, rice pasta, corn tortillas, corn chips, no wheat, barley, oat, rye of any kind, organic vegies & sauces, and never eat food not prepared at home.I know that some of you may think that this sounds similar to a Celiac diet but it really works for IBS too. Our systems cannot process preservatives. That is why when we go out to eat or eat some frozen meal we are so sick.Unlike the Celiac disease, we are not killing our intestines from eating these kinds of things, but we are causing more attacks of IBS than we should have to live with.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 01:06 PM

Sharell, How do you feel most of the time? I think most of us know some of our triggers. Living with a diet so strict is so very difficult when people are so busy. I try to avoid MSG at all costs, but every time I ask the chinese restaurant to hold it, I swear they ignor me and I'm sick the next day. I don't go anymore. Do you feel pretty good most of the time by sticking to this diet?

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 01:07 PM

I think the problem is that diet for IBS is extremely individual.Yes, most people who have food triggers are aware of them, but when you poll on this site for food triggers you find that what is totally safe for one person is someone else's worst trigger. While this diet works well for you, it may be very bad for someone else who has different triggers. I've known people here that find their safest food, the one thing that will not set them off, is Pop-Tarts of all things and that is wheat, sugar and preservatives with a few vitamins tossed in to keep it from being a complete waste of carbon.Also there are a lot of us like me where no specific food causes the symptoms but merely the act of eating. It didn't matter what I ate, low-fat, high-fat, low-starch, high-starch, lots of wheat, no wheat at all, no meat, all meat, all organic or completely processed, etc. etc. The mere act of eating for some of us set off the symptoms because we over-react to out stomach filling up with any type of food. It is why I often tell people who feel they can't eat anything and can't find their triggers to just eat a well-balanced healthy diet as food is not always the enemy in the struggle with IBS. For those that can control it with diet, dietary restriction can play a big role in controlling symptoms, but it is not the answer for a lot of us.K.
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Gret:Sharell, How do you feel most of the time? I think most of us know some of our triggers. Living with a diet so strict is so very difficult when people are so busy. I try to avoid MSG at all costs, but every time I ask the chinese restaurant to hold it, I swear they ignor me and I'm sick the next day. I don't go anymore. Do you feel pretty good most of the time by sticking to this diet?
I feel good most of the time. I can avoid the trigger foods and avoid these attacks. When you go to a restaurant, any kind, they use preservatives in there food. They use non organic salad dressings, sauces, they cook your food on the same grill as the other peoples food, things such as that. I know it is hard when you are busy. What I do is pack a sack of food when I go out. I have sandwiches, fruit, rice snacks, so on. I know that if I eat anything from somewhere else I will be sick for 3 days after. That is enough for me to not waver.I cannot help other types of flare ups, such as stress, traffic, other things like that, so I do have them. I have worked very hard with my doctor and started from scratch with my life. I took everything out - habits, work, diet, so forth, then put everything back one at a time. By doing that, I was able to see what was going on.As to Kathleen, yes, it is not enough to stick to a diet. You will have flare ups just the same. But if you are eating out and you are getting sick, there is a good indication that it is the reason for getting sick.I work constantly with my doctor, if I cannot control the symptoms by diet alone, and I know when that is starting to happen, he puts me on a liquid diet to calm down my system until I can handle foods again. You should know when your IBS is getting bad, the pain, diarrhea more than usual, fatigue. That is the time, right from the start of the attack to do something. Waiting will only cause the attack to strengthen and prolong your feeling better.If there were one medication or one thing to stop IBS we would not be sitting here today. I am only trying to help by informing you that eating out, eating preservatives and whole grains are going to cause you to become sick.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 01:49 PM

Didn't matter to me, eat in, eat out, there are people who over-respond to the normal gastro-colic reflex and they will have problems regardless of which food they eat.It didn't matter what I ate, EVERY SINGLE FOOD set off the IBS every single meal every single day. If I filled up my stomach with anything it would trigger the pain and BM's because I have too strong of a gastrocolic reflex which works every single meal every person eats their entire life. With IBS the colon over-responds to this normal reflex. Some people can control it with low-fat meals that do not trigger it as strongly, or smaller meals that do not trigger it as strongly, but I was so bad even 1/2 cup of plain rice would set it off.For people like me trying to find a diet will never ever work as the only thing that stops the symptoms diet-wise is to not eat any food ever.K.
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Kathleen M.:Didn't matter to me, eat in, eat out, there are people who over-respond to the normal gastro-colic reflex and they will have problems regardless of which food they eat.It didn't matter what I ate, EVERY SINGLE FOOD set off the IBS every single meal every single day. If I filled up my stomach with anything it would trigger the pain and BM's because I have too strong of a gastrocolic reflex which works every single meal every person eats their entire life. With IBS the colon over-responds to this normal reflex. Some people can control it with low-fat meals that do not trigger it as strongly, or smaller meals that do not trigger it as strongly, but I was so bad even 1/2 cup of plain rice would set it off.For people like me trying to find a diet will never ever work as the only thing that stops the symptoms diet-wise is to not eat any food ever.K.
As I said, to those who are eating out or eating preservatives and becoming ill, that is a trigger and you need to change your diet to stop those specific triggers. Being a Ph. D in Biology, wouldn't you say that a healthy diet, not including fatty, processed, high in salt and sugar food, would be wise for anyone? Not to mention that with all the strains of viral and bacterial organisms out there that you would be safer to eat food that you prepare yourself. If you can eat whatever and it is not a trigger for you, then that is great, but if it is a trigger, why eat it?I never said that diet alone will cure IBS, nothing will, as of yet. I take medications daily for my IBS and stick to my diet. If anything, I say that you need to work with your doctor to figure out what your triggers are and by that you will know how to help yourself.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 02:32 PM

Sharell, I find it is always good for me to remember that everyone is different. What treatment methods work for one person with IBS may not work for another person.For some what they eat literally doesn't matter.. it is soley the act of eating itself that can trigger their symptoms. To me the fact that all of us are so different is part of what must make it hard on the scientists to find something to help us.Anyway, here's some diet info:../diet/See diet link at the bottom of this page:http://www.gicare.com/pated/ecdgs03.htmHope this helps.BQ
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 02:38 PM

I never said eat trigger foods if you have trigger foods. Where on earth did you get that out of what I said?Just diet is not as much of a trigger for IBS symptoms in the general population of IBSers as some people seem to feel it is. (there are those that say diet is the main thing, and a few the ONLY thing people need to do)Eating out can be a problem from volume and fat and not any specific ingredient the put in the food. Most eating out meals have many more calories total, and many more fat calories than most eating in meals.I do find some people who are like me that just eating food causes symptoms sometimes end up on very restrictive highly unhealthy diets trying to eliminate the type of food that causes it.Funny enough, like I said there are a few people that find that the only thing that doesn't set their symptoms off is junk. They also should eat healthy even if healthy causes more symptoms than the all-poptart diet that keeps them pretty much symptom free.I worry about those who really believe that if they just eliminate all the triggers they will be fine when it becomes obvious from what they have been trying that they do not have trigger foods, but react to the act of eating a meal.You asked why the site doesn't have a diet to recommend to people. (presumably like yours or similar) as what all IBSers should be eating. That is because diet isn't the main issue for a lot of people, and most IBSers get food-phobic enough without any help from this site.I'm glad this diet helps you, but be VERY careful generalizing your personal experience to IBSers as a whole. What works for you, works for you, and may contain foods that make other IBSers very very sick.K.
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kathleen M.:I never said eat trigger foods if you have trigger foods. Where on earth did you get that out of what I said?Just diet is not as much of a trigger for IBS symptoms in the general population of IBSers as some people seem to feel it is. (there are those that say diet is the main thing, and a few the ONLY thing people need to do)Eating out can be a problem from volume and fat and not any specific ingredient the put in the food. Most eating out meals have many more calories total, and many more fat calories than most eating in meals.I do find some people who are like me that just eating food causes symptoms sometimes end up on very restrictive highly unhealthy diets trying to eliminate the type of food that causes it.Funny enough, like I said there are a few people that find that the only thing that doesn't set their symptoms off is junk. They also should eat healthy even if healthy causes more symptoms than the all-poptart diet that keeps them pretty much symptom free.I worry about those who really believe that if they just eliminate all the triggers they will be fine when it becomes obvious from what they have been trying that they do not have trigger foods, but react to the act of eating a meal.You asked why the site doesn't have a diet to recommend to people. (presumably like yours or similar) as what all IBSers should be eating. That is because diet isn't the main issue for a lot of people, and most IBSers get food-phobic enough without any help from this site.I'm glad this diet helps you, but be VERY careful generalizing your personal experience to IBSers as a whole. What works for you, works for you, and may contain foods that make other IBSers very very sick.K.
That is what their doctor is for. I never said that this was a cure all and for you to tell people that it is alright to eat junk food is outrageous. They should be asking their doctor what they are to eat. They should be seeing a specialist to avoid malnutrition caused by IBS and having blood work to check their blood for any signs of other problems with iron or mineral loss.I merely gave them my particular diet. I know that it is all natural and healthy. It is alot better than telling someone to eat a poptart.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by BQ:Sharell, I find it is always good for me to remember that everyone is different. What treatment methods work for one person with IBS may not work for another person.For some what they eat literally doesn't matter.. it is soley the act of eating itself that can trigger their symptoms. To me the fact that all of us are so different is part of what must make it hard on the scientists to find something to help us.Anyway, here's some diet info:../diet/See diet link at the bottom of this page:http://www.gicare.com/pated/ecdgs03.htmHope this helps.BQ
I do know that. I am the same way, I have pain when I eat, but I have to eat anyway. So, when I eat, I stick to a diet that will not make my IBS worse. I do not want to have to run to the bathroom with D because I eat something I shouldn't. What I say is talk with your doctor to find a way to control your day to day symptoms and eat a healthy low fat, preservative free diet.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 03:27 PM

I never told people to eat all pop-tarts all the time. Just I have met people here that find that food like that are the ONLY foods that do not cause symptoms. I meant to say and I thought I DID say they need to eat healthy anyway, even if that means more symptoms.Sigh.I think I am going to bow out now as every single thing I say feels like it is totally misunderstood.K.
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 09:51 AM

Sharell.. I have to say.. my diet that I follow is very similar to yours.. Like you.. I feel much better on it.. I know what I felt like before... and what I feel like now, is a whole different person.. Yes.. I feel I am going the right route for me.. Yes.. I don't eat alot of food now, restrictive.. no.. not unless you make it that way for yourself.. Why would you feed something to your body that is going to hurt it.. that is my thought.. I have been following this for over 6 months now.. since my last major attack.. between the diet and the calcium it has changed things dramatically for me.. I too stay away from food additives as well... MSG... dyes... sweetners.. This has helped me so much.. Convenience foods are full of those.. to me it doesn't take me any longer to prepare say.. bay scallops, pasta and a veggie for dinner then it does to throw together a boxed meal...actually in 15 min I can eat mine.. it is better for me... and all good food... I have several issues besides IBS.. I also have diverticulitis.. a hx of colon CA.. HTN.. Needless to say.. It is helping all of them to take care of myself as I am.. So count me as one who follows a trigger free diet.. and feels better for it.. I know what I felt like before.. and I know what I feel like now.. and I'd rather feel like I do now.. then what I felt like before.. It just isn't worth going backwards.... No not everyone is the same... but when one finds something that works for them.. I say great.. !!!!Here are things I don't eat anymore..NO........:Red Meats.. I eat.. FRESH.. fish, white meat of chicken, turkey, and pork.. Processed meats or food.ChocolateCaffeineFats ...only light margaine sparlingly...SugarSweetnersRaw veggies.. I eat cooked veggies that don't upset me.Raw fruits.. I eat applesauce.. and bananas.Food additivesGasey foodsMilk Products.. I can eat yogurt once a day, and aged swiss cheese..EggsCarbonated beverages..dry cereals with colorings or additives or artificial sugar.. I watch what condiments I use..No fast foods..If I go out to eat.. I order plain turkey, fish or chicken, baked potato and veggie with no seasoning..I know I am forgetting somethings.. but you get the idea..I take calcium 1/2 tab with each meal.. I drink lots of water.. I also take a bulk fiber suppliment at night before bed.. I eat yogurt and organic oat bran ceral in the am.. I now have mostly formed bm's once to twice a day.. Not the 7 plus I was having.. once in awhile I will have a day where there are maybe 5, but they have been formed.. or when I have tried an old trigger and it didn't work out.. then I will get an attack of what I used to have.. but also I know enough not to add that back into my diet either.. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that does it..? I follow this cause it works for me.. I don't want medications as I take enough for my other issues as it is.. so if this works for me.. then I work it...
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 10:23 AM

I just wanted to address.. There are some things for people to try who find that just eating makes things happen..Small frequent meals..Low fat meals..No big meals..Low residue foods..Try eating things like bread prior to fiber foods..This acts as binder for the fiber foods... Listen to your body.. Stress can agrivate things.. fear too.. anxiety..depression all these things can add to issues as well.. I know for me.. once things started to calm down .. the stress and other issues got better too..
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 10:23 AM

It has been my experience that some Docs don't know much about what diets help IBS patients. I once has a board certified GI tell me.. and I quote:"Vegetables contain fiber. Do not eat vegetables."oy.... Posted Image(no.. I did not see that one ever again and yeah.. I reported back to my PCP that perhaps this GI wasn't a good referral for IBS patients and why.)Most Docs will tell you it is loads of trial and error as to finding what foods do not aggravate symptoms. I have found that to be true. And it is kinda common sense to avoid foods that cause an individual problems.But sometimes... as a human.... I eat a food that may cause me trouble because.. I miss it. I eat it knowing full well I may experience an increase in symptoms and usually it is worth it. lol I do not do it often.. but..on occasion, I do. It is my choice and I bear the consequences. But one would hope that common sense dictates it is wise to avoid foods that one knows may increase or exacerbate symptoms. The trouble is in finding those foods.. lol However, that said, for me personally, my worst triggers are things I have little control over and they are not foods.But for those of you out there that are having trouble getting through all the trial and error.. please see the links I posted above. Some things may help you there.. but as I said.. everyone is different.. all one can do is try.... and err.. and try again.... etc.Above all else.. please remember.. you aren't alone... and you are in excellent company.. even if I do say so myself. Posted Image Do not forget to check out our Food/Nutrition/Diet Forum.. just click here:https://ibsgroup.org/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/75110261BQ
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Prudy:Sharell.. I have to say.. my diet that I follow is very similar to yours.. Like you.. I feel much better on it.. I know what I felt like before... and what I feel like now, is a whole different person.. Yes.. I feel I am going the right route for me.. Yes.. I don't eat alot of food now, restrictive.. no.. not unless you make it that way for yourself.. Why would you feed something to your body that is going to hurt it.. that is my thought.. I have been following this for over 6 months now.. since my last major attack.. between the diet and the calcium it has changed things dramatically for me.. I too stay away from food additives as well... MSG... dyes... sweetners.. This has helped me so much.. Convenience foods are full of those.. to me it doesn't take me any longer to prepare say.. bay scallops, pasta and a veggie for dinner then it does to throw together a boxed meal...actually in 15 min I can eat mine.. it is better for me... and all good food... I have several issues besides IBS.. I also have diverticulitis.. a hx of colon CA.. HTN.. Needless to say.. It is helping all of them to take care of myself as I am.. So count me as one who follows a trigger free diet.. and feels better for it.. I know what I felt like before.. and I know what I feel like now.. and I'd rather feel like I do now.. then what I felt like before.. It just isn't worth going backwards.... No not everyone is the same... but when one finds something that works for them.. I say great.. !!!!Here are things I don't eat anymore..NO........:Red Meats.. I eat.. FRESH.. fish, white meat of chicken, turkey, and pork.. Processed meats or food.ChocolateCaffeineFats ...only light margaine sparlingly...SugarSweetnersRaw veggies.. I eat cooked veggies that don't upset me.Raw fruits.. I eat applesauce.. and bananas.Food additivesGasey foodsMilk Products.. I can eat yogurt once a day, and aged swiss cheese..EggsCarbonated beverages..dry cereals with colorings or additives or artificial sugar.. I watch what condiments I use..No fast foods..If I go out to eat.. I order plain turkey, fish or chicken, baked potato and veggie with no seasoning..I know I am forgetting somethings.. but you get the idea..I take calcium 1/2 tab with each meal.. I drink lots of water.. I also take a bulk fiber suppliment at night before bed.. I eat yogurt and organic oat bran ceral in the am.. I now have mostly formed bm's once to twice a day.. Not the 7 plus I was having.. once in awhile I will have a day where there are maybe 5, but they have been formed.. or when I have tried an old trigger and it didn't work out.. then I will get an attack of what I used to have.. but also I know enough not to add that back into my diet either.. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that does it..? I follow this cause it works for me.. I don't want medications as I take enough for my other issues as it is.. so if this works for me.. then I work it...
I agree, our diets are for the most part the same. I really struggled to find the right combination of food. I posted this because there was no information that I found out there for someone like us who need to eat a certain way to have as much of a normal life as possible. I found plenty of sites that offered, for a price, a sure fired way to eat, but no real suggestions other than the basics you get from webmd. I was not being helped by that. I was sick, malnutritioned and tired. I finally found something that would truly help. I asked my client, who is a RN,LMT, Vegan, Herbalist, if she would research with the doctors she knew at LLUMC to come up with some sort of diet plan for me. She called me about a week later and told me what she found. She said to give it about 2 weeks and let her know what happens. Well, like I said, it only took about a week and I do not need to tell you the difference. It is like night and day. I do also miss things like cheeseburgers, pizza, so on, but it is not worth it to me to eat it. I have been eating this way now for a year and I am forever grateful to my client and her friends.Before this diet my doctor was seeing me every two weeks and threatening hospitalization. I went from a size 6 to a size 0 and that was when I knew if I didn't find something soon, I would probably die. I was not even able to eat any solid food. So, now that I finally found something that would truly help, I want to share that with as many people as possible.I agree, we are not all the same, but for the folks who read this, and can relate, I think it is a great diet for them to give a try for a week or so and they can decide for themselves if it works for them.

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 03:50 PM

I can believe there is nothing out there to offer insight into diet..My doctor told me it was a process on elimination at best.. I found nothing from them all the wanted to do was medicate me.. I chose to do my own researching to get answers. I knew what was wrong.. I just needed to find something that would help me.. I gleaned most of information through investigation both online and books..I know I left out many things I don't eat.. but like you. Yes.. I miss them and when I smell tomato sauce or pizza.. it near kills me... but not enough to make me eat it..Because I know the outcome from it.. So I just don't torture myself.. I was at my sister's anniversary party and the hordouvers were mini garlic pizzas.. Well.. what did I do.. I scarped all the topping off mine down to crust only... cause I knew I could eat the crust as that is like having Italian bread.. so that is how I ate it... No one batted an eye watching me do that.. and if they had.. I wouldn't have cared... LOLI will tell you this.. I have more energy now then I have ever had in my life.. I feel phycially better, and emotionally as well.. I can go out shopping and work and know I can make it to the BR if I need one.. These things far outweigh what I am not eating..or drinking.. I just think of it like this.. It's a lifestyle change.. I can live with it and will.. It is worth it... and I am worth it..I don't drink alcohol.. nor smoke.. I read labels.. read labels.. read labels.. Even my calcium I take is natual with do added colors or fillers.. likewise my fiber suppliment... I take Konsyl.. has nothing added no dyes, no sugar or sweetners ... Other products do..if you read the labels.. So.. I agree with putting it out for all to see and read.. Just like Linda did with her Calcium info.. she too believes in avoiding triggers..along with taking the calcium.. so do I.. bless her heart.... it works.. and I too know it works.. No need to convince me of anything..
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Posted 05 July 2006 - 07:31 AM

I think we're all just trying to help each other out here. That's what this board is for. Yet we are all so different. I was craving pizza for breakfast! So I had it, and I won't suffer because of that later, my gut is fine today. When it's bad it's because of alcohol or stress. I've had niether lately so I'll be ok today. Food doesn't necessarily bother me unless I'm allergic - like bananas! They will make me sick as can be, but not IBS sick. I just don't really have food triggers like many people do.

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 08:10 AM

Yes.. we all are different.. and we all need support... in one way or another.. I think that is all anyone is looking for here.. Putting this out there was, I think Sharell's way of letting others know that there is something to try and just may work for those with food triggers.. I tried it back in January.. because I am a type who likes to try the most conservative approach first...then work from there.. because if you go with medications.. sometimes you have nothing to move up to but other medications at that point.. If it hadn't worked.. you better believe I would have gone the meds route to help me.. I was fortunate this is working for me... and I am grateful for it.. more then anyone can realize..So... if someone who has food triggers learned something from the post.. tries it.. and it works.. then I think that is great.. I wish there were answers for everyone.. unfortunately that isn't always the case.. I wish everyone success on their road to wellness..
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Posted 05 July 2006 - 09:41 AM

Yup, always great to share what has worked for us. Ya never know who may be helped by that sharing. Nothing wrong with posting 'Here, this helped me. Maybe it could help you too.'Posted ImageBQ
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Posted 05 July 2006 - 11:01 AM

What I find frustrating is eating the same diet and having IBS symptoms one day and not the next. I never can tell what is a trigger food for me sometimes. The only things I know for sure that I can't eat are garlic and eggs.After so many dietary changes, with no help, I just eat what I feel like. If I have IBS symptoms, I just spend the time in the bathroom when I need to. I can go days without symptoms and then all of a sudden, I can't get out of the bathroom. I don't vary my diet that much. I have just learned to live with IBS. Pain in the neck!





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