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I visited a chinese herbalist today and brought gastropro(jian pi pian) these help your spleen to digest your foods and ese discomfort also huoxiang-zhengqi wan specifically for ibs. You have to take them in large quanties and they dont look or smell to good but I have taken two lots today and already im burping which im unable to do,am feeling a little nauseous but was felling that anyway but I am going to give them a chance for a few days,was just wondering if anyone else has tried this route and what was their experience?
 

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I have personally tried many chinese herbal medications, from boiled soups to medications. I find that chinese medications are great for the more generic problems such as aches and pain, the common cold, etc. For IBS however, it is a more complex phenomenon that has recently been reviewed in more depth by GI specialist and traditional doctors, resulting in an understanding that it is bacteria, well an overgrowth, that is the result of IBS-D. IBS-C is gaining further research but has yet to reach any conclusive factual information.For IBS-D, with bacteria overgrowth in the small intestines, it is a phenomenon which cannot be reversed through the treatment of chinese herbs. However the herbs can indeed help with the symptoms that are presented as a result of IBS.Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) is a much larger discussion so I'll leave that for another time. I do find that one chinese herbal medication that worked well for IBS-D is a herb called berberine, it can be purchased in pill forms and works wonders to prevent diarrhea from occurring. Overtime however, with prolonged use, the effectiveness decreases.
 

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thanyou kelly chow when using the herbs were they effective more or less straight away or did they take time as ive come off what the gp has given me and already im getting cramps creaping up and now am getting anxious.the herbalist today was explaining ibs as a tummy cold and advised againt eating cold foods and drinks as it would aggrivate symptoms is this what is what is being found out in the research u was talking about?
 

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The not eating cold/raw food is more of the belief in Chinese medicine that a lot of the problem in IBS is with the spleen energy. Nutritionally you build up the spleen energy with cooked food as raw food depletes that energy in the body. (I took a weekend workshop on nutrition in Chinese Medicine last summer)I do know most IBSers seem to have more problems with raw foods based on what they say here over and over even if it doesn't have clinical data saying that is so.About 10 years ago they did a study in JAMA (journal of the american medical association) that showed a pretty good result with one of the usual chinese formulas in a short study of a few weeks.
 

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thankyou kathleen on your course on chinese nutrition medicine did ailments seem to get worse before they got better,as these seam to be aggrevating my stomach like they are too strong? also did you try any herbal routes yourself and did they help?
 

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I use some herbs, but not a lot of the Chinese herbal ones. They are often used in combinations rather than one at a time and I just don't know enough to pick them out on my own and haven't gone to a Chinese herbalist (need to find one I believe in, I've had a few Chinese herb blends from holistic doctor types but I don't know how well they were prescribed).Generally herbs are stronger than foods, so will have a bigger reaction. With nutritional support (foods) that shouldn't do much of the worse before you get better thing. If the food makes you worse it may be too much in the direction you are already out of balance, or pushing you too far the other way. Usually they are trying to get things to balance to the middle, so I would think the herbs would be more that way as well, but I don't know if there are some where they expect things to react as the heal up, I just don't know the ins and outs of that.Chinese medicine tends to be more of a work towards the balance so you tend not to have that "much worse before better". Ayruvedic tends to be more of a detox things and that usually is an expectation you feel worse to get the bad out before you heal. That being said, sometimes when you disrupt things as they have been for awhile that can stir some things up and that isn't always symptomless, but it shouldn't be really severe. It may help to do some basic meditation or very simple Qi Gong. Both help to circulate any energy that gets stirred up. And Chinese medicine tends to like the do it all get better quick approach. :(Meditation try once or twice a day and for the Qi Gong a few times a day as it seems appropriate and stop when you feel you are done. So it if is only for a minute or two that is OK, you don't need to force it for 20 minutes at a time. For the meditation sit or lay down somewhere quiet. Can have some noise to drown out ambient noises, but you want something like nature sounds that is repetitive rather than something complex like music. Put one thumb on your belly button and let the hand rest naturally below that, put the other hand on top of it. Focus on your breath and you want to breathe so your abdomen goes in and out. If other thoughts intrude just notice that and let it go. The hands need to be on the belly until you get used to doing the abdominal breathing (and start with inhale tummy goes out, exhale tummy goes in...there are more advanced breaths, but you need to get that one down first). If you don't need the hands there anymore you can do any other comfortable or meaningful position.Walking Qi Gong. Walk around either in place or along a path and swing the arms. You can do a natural swing like you normally do when walking. I prefer a both hands in front and then to the back. You want a good size swing, but natural and loose, not tight or forced. My favorite is to have both palms up when the hands are in front and then let them rotate so they face back when they are down at or just past my sides.
 

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thankyou kathleen,unfortunately I never had a good night such tremendous wind pains nausea and unbelievable cramps they were too much so I have dicided not to take them today. But thankyou meditating helped me through my panic,and I will be trying this teqniche all the more ,I looked up qi gong on the internet last night too and will also be giving it a shot thanks.x
 
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