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during a recent electro-lymphatic cleanse (explained here: http://www.livingwaterrejuvenation.com/Electro_Lymphatic.htm ) and colonic the hygenist told me she believes that D is the ultimate form of constipation! I asked her, what do you mean? She said, think about it: D is actually not your colon acting out over what you are taking in as much as what is still around and won't come out. Fascinating!Might it be impacted material nearly cemented to the intestinal walls? Foreign invaders that have burrowed deep into the tissue and can't be touched by the usual treatments? She also brought up how viruses like Herpes can lie dormant in areas of the body until bouts of stress or other conditions bring them out and how she feels the same could be true with foreign invaders in the colon - whether they be bacterial, viral or fungal.Any thoughts on D being the ultimate C?
 

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quote: Electro Lymphatic Therapy
This sounds like it belongs in a science ficton novel.
quote:Any thoughts on D being the ultimate C?
There is no need for sophisticated physiological explanation here:Diarrhea and constipation are opposites.
 

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Well this material cemented to the wall of the colon has not been seen in any person with a colonoscopy, so it is hard to believe it really exists (or is difficult to remove if a bit of osmotic laxative totally removes it in every case)There is something called paradoxical diarrhea where you are so constipated in the totally normal fashion that the body tries to flush out the impacted stool, but this is a rare cause of diarrhea, and you would have probably noticed the days of constipation that preceeded it.Diarrhea in IBS tends to be from the stool getting to the end too early and it just loose rather than watery.Paradoxical diarrhea is usually I thought of the watery cells of the colon wall dumping lots of water and mucus (like they do when you have a bug) into the colon kind of thing. Basically you kinda only got one "flush it out" mode and it does the same thing regardless of the need to flush.K.
 

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quote:Originally posted by Kath M.:Well this material cemented to the wall of the colon has not been seen in any person with a colonoscopy, so it is hard to believe it really exists K.
so you've personally done lots of these and seen that that's the case? or you've sat in and watched while they were taking place? things adhere very well and can be opaque, or be below the outer cell surface.
quote:Originally posted by flux: This sounds like it belongs in a science fiction novel.
what? perscription drugs that take out your kidneys while they lower your blood pressure or the ones that make you blind in exchange for an erection?
 

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Something present (according to some that promote this world view, which is from what I understand what some medical systems that never had the ability to look in a colon came up with to explain things) in virtually every person (because the people I know with this view claim EVERY SINGLE PERSON has many kilos of this in the colon) would have made it into the medical text books.But somehow it it totally invisible to anyone who has ever scoped a colon
Just more evidence it exists I guess.K.Edit to add...PS. Only plants, fungi, and bacteria have cell walls. Animal cells do not have cell walls to bury anything under.
 

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you keep talking like you've scoped a lot of colons. so the numerous photos of gunk that has come out of people's colons are all fake then?as for the cell addendum, would you prefer the word MEMBRANE? The cell membrane keeps the cell together by containing the organelles within it. Cell membranes are selectively-permeable, allowing materials to move both into and outside of the cell.
 

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Generally if something is toxic animal cells try to transport it out of a cell.I did have an Environmental Toxicology Scholarship for Graduate school and took lots of toxicology and physiology courses. I also read a lot of the medical literature. Something this major would have been seen and reported. I assume someone who scoped a colon that saw the gunk would have reported it and published pictures in papers or on the web.I've seen plenty of colon scope pictures on the web. Apparently a gallon of Go-Lytely and all the gunk is totally gone. Don't know if the poop from that looks like poop from whatever purgatives they give you to "get the gunk out".Here is a medical take on one of the infomercials to get the cement out of your colon http://placebojournal.com/placebo_gazette25.htmAnd this site is interesting to me at least (answers some of the just what is that junk coming out of people) http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2004/12/muc...bious-idea.htmlYou believe as you will, neither of us will convince the other of anything, and this arguement serves no greater purpose, if you need to keep going at it, you will do it without me
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Some good information here. I have had ibs d but have never lost any weight since i had the disorder. There are so many variables like stuff sticking to the colon or maybe the water we drink. The specialist treat ibs like allergies, you cant get rid of it but can treat it some way or another, I wouldnt doubt it if allergies and IBS are in some ways linked. I am not sure about diarrehea being an ultimate constipation, although Doc, i understand the point there you made. Usually diarrehea is an action where the body is trying to get rid of something not needed in the system very fast. I'm sure there is stuff clinging to the walls of the colon and thats what really needs to be looked at. Yeah that could be an answer worth investigating, where somthing is constantly there that causes diarrehea but never exits the colon. hmmm
 

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quote:I'm sure there is stuff clinging to the walls of the colon and thats what really needs to be looked at.
Where is it?
 

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quote:it's microscopic in most cases. no one is suggesting you are going to see a wad of cemented on slabs of material.
Straw man.
 

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Could it be possibly be plaque, stuff is found on heart walls, teeth, (who know maybe other organs), so possibly walls of the colon have plaque? Guys I'm not on anyone's side, just wondering out loud.
 

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You do have biofilms in the gut, but they would see that sort of thing I would think if you had 40 pounds of it hanging out in there that osmotic laxative would never be able to remove (that isn't what they give you to remove it) BTW the osmotic laxative prep probably does disrupt the biofilms as people can lose their methanogenic bacteria from one of those things, if I recall that study properly.It wouldn't be an invisible to all but comes out in huge clumps when take the right mix of fiber and clay sort of thing. In.My.Opinion.K.
 
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