Embarrassing Flatulence
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LUILLE, Mangosteen is a native of Malaysia, Vietnam ,Philipines & Thailand. In fact there is a magnificent Resort on the island if Phuket called the Mangosteen Resort( Its on the Net, Just have a look at the photos) The people in those countries have enjoyed the fruit for centuries, & they have been using the pericarp (rind) dried ,& ground up for just as long to cure Dysentry, Diarrhea,Gonherea, tropical ulcers,fungal & bacterial problems & all kinds of inflamation.However they never knew why it worked only that it does. It has taken one Canadian guy to bring it home & start the process of offering the complete Mangosteen in puree form to the West in a bottle. Please look at www.usenature.com/mangosteen.htm
Hate to sound like a "me too," but I just joined this BB today, and found a number of posts by flux on several threads that were, to be kind, less than informed, and to be less than kind, detrimental to the discussions. Then there's the signature attacking someone else's inaccuracy - good to know that there's a self-appointed saviour of the accuracy of the WWW. I think those posts reflect flux's desire to see his/her own text on the screen, rather than actually trying to be helpful or accurate. For instance, in this particular thread, flux unequivocally states,
Clearly, this statement should be viewed, itself, as a severe case of embarrassing flatulence... (sorry, couldn't resist.)The fact is that many food intolerances produce gas, since intolerance is frequently caused by the inability or failure of the gut to produce the enzymes that would ordinarily digest the materials (e.g., sugars like lactose, fructose). Particularly with sugars, when the gut doesn't digest the material, the the bacteria in the gut cause the material to ferment - producing, sometimes, large quantities of gas. To find out more about, for instance, lactose intolerance, see http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/p...rance/index.htm. My suggestion to flux would be to sit on the keyboard and just observe for a while - s/he might learn what constitutes a constructive discussion.
Phosdick: don't worry about being a "me too" some of us bite our tongues now and then when we see the senseless ramblings of self-proclaimed geniuses. There are a few here. That one annoys me to no end. Food intolerance and gas have nothing to do with each other? Well that's NEWS to me!! I had better go talk to my well-educated ACTUAL doctors and call them all quacks then!! Point to take home, if in doubt, consult a REAL professional!! Many people on here are incredibly helpful, some are by their nature and information, harmful. By the way phosdick, welcome aboard!!!!
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No, they don't. You are confusing various nutrient malabsorption syndromes for something that is poorly defined (if it exists at all). Unfortunately, the terms are sometimes used interchangeably even in reputable sources, but they really are not.
Could it be that it doesn't work at all?
flux, you've already been told that it's just semantics. Whatever your definition, there are different types of food which are troublesome for those who get gas. Apart from the obvious sulphite producers, there are many other foods which can form adverse reactions.Tell me what other factors are more influential in (smelly) gas production.
Food intolerances don't even appear to exist. That's semantics?
Most people who are lactose "intolerant" don't appear to be troubled by lactose. That's semantics?
Where's the adverse reaction?. It's normal physiology for the sulfur-producing bacteria to make gas from undigested sulfur-containing foods. Only for some people is the amount abnormal. That's not due to the food, though, but to the bacteria and their behavior. That's semantics?
The bacteria in the colon.
So where is your proof that most people who are lactose intolerant aren't affected by lactose?I know of several foodstuffs which I HAVE to avoid. Again it's semantics. It doesn't matter if it's the bacteria or the food. The point is that the food appears to cause the bacteria to set off the reaction.I've just read a book giving testimonies about peop;e having relief from IBS and joint problems by eliminating starch from their diets.The point is that we should all be encouraged to seek what food aggravtes our symptoms so that we can consider elimination.
This info is plastered over the BB: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/quer...1&dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/quer...3&dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/quer...7&dopt=Abstract
I wouldn't use the word reaction because it sounds like it is some sort of allergy, which it is not.quoteoint is that the food appears to cause the bacteria to set off the reaction.
You could probably find a a book that finds the opposite too. Placebo response is notorious in IBS, so any change may appear to make symptoms better.In addition, even if it were true that eliminate carbohydrate-containing foods appeared to improve symptoms in IBS, wouldn't a logical reason be that that by reducing carbs one reduces total food volume and that puts less "strain" so to speak on the gut.
"I wouldn't use the word reaction because it sounds like it is some sort of allergy, which it is not."and i quote. if i could use italics i would be doing. dear oh lord, somebody explain to fluxy what semantics means - crikey, don't laugh. this is tragic.arnie, you do KNOW you're wasting your time, don't you? fluxoid, if it means that much to you to try to prove your smarts, why don't you go back to school, like med school or something? or do you doubt you could hack it? hem.
MissC and nelly2, you are right, of course, so maybe I should lay off. First thing, though, I don't think anything would make flux go away. What seems to help is when he knows he'a atumped and can't reply. Secondly, I can't resist a challenge sometimes.Anyway, flux put his foot so deep in the proverbial this time, that I have to repond.Read the following from his first link:Women with lactose maldigestion reported significantly increased flatus frequency and subjective impression of rectal gas during the period of high lactose intake; however, bloating, abdominal pain, diarrhea, and the global perception of overall symptom severity were not significantly different between the 2 treatment periods. CONCLUSION: The symptoms resulting from lactose maldigestion are not a major impediment to the ingestion of a dairy-rich diet supplying approximately 1500 mg Ca/d.Hello, flux.... increased flatus frequency...rectal gas???This is a gas board.Lactose gives me a gas. I don't need a publication to tell me that. I think you just shot yourself in the foot.
I'm the exception to the rule then. It's not just small amounts of lactose, but also small amounts of all sorts of other food, that give me gas. The people on this board, more often than not do, not fit the norm. We don't need to be told what amount of food gives us gas. We know from experience.
flux, my perseverance has finally paid off. I completely and utterly agree with both of your statements.Your last statement is absolutely spot on. We are a very small group, so small that no one seems to want to spare the money and time to study or research for us. I was, of course, referring to the Gas forum on the IBSGroup Board.
And can all the bitching please stop in this thread. I have been interested in this information hoping that it will help me, but now the rest of the thread has turned into a big fight, so plz everyone get back on track, this board is ment to be about giving lots of suggestions and support!
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flutter get use to the bitching, some people come here just to stir STUFF. You have to learn who to ignore.As for the mangosteen. You can try it if you want but don't look for it to be the magic bullet.
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