Another lactose intolerant thread!!My mother and sister are lactose intolerant, to what point exactly I don't know. For many years I felt bloated,gassy, pain and didn't make the connection that it may be because of lactose.My husband one day said why don't you stop dairy for a week and see how you do after. I tried it and the gas, pain etc. went away. I love dairy products so for me it was difficult but I stuck to it and the next day my symptoms had dissapeared. I still have ibs, get contractions in intestines when I'm stressed ect. still C I do take metamucil every day but can go for weeks now without pain,gas, as before I had extreme pain,bloating ect.constantly. I am half american indian so maybe that has something to do with it. My mother is pure Indian. I don't care if it is because of lactose or not, I'll I care about is that I am so much better when I avoid it.
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·Hi, My doctor said to cut out milk as a last resort. I now feel about 100 times better than I did. I used to be ill everyday and am now able to get by on only about 4 immodium a week (compared to my old average of 19). That's bril, but when I get stressed it flares up again, and I keep finding other bits of food that must contain 'hidden' lactose, so it's very much a learning process.I'm interested in what Stacey said:'If you eliminate dairy for a while (even if you aren't lactose intolerant) and then try to go back to eating it again, you will most likely be intolerant since your body has stopped producing the enzyme.'I had a Mars Ice Cream last week and was violently ill for 2 days. Much worse than I have been for ages - maybe this is because I've stayed off all milky stuff for two months?You learn something new everyday! I know now not to be so easily tempted.
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·Hi, My doctor said to cut out milk as a last resort. I now feel about 100 times better than I did. I used to be ill everyday and am now able to get by on only about 4 immodium a week (compared to my old average of 19). That's bril, but when I get stressed it flares up again, and I keep finding other bits of food that must contain 'hidden' lactose, so it's very much a learning process.I'm interested in what Stacey said:'If you eliminate dairy for a while (even if you aren't lactose intolerant) and then try to go back to eating it again, you will most likely be intolerant since your body has stopped producing the enzyme.'I had a Mars Ice Cream last week and was violently ill for 2 days. Much worse than I have been for ages - maybe this is because I've stayed off all milky stuff for two months?You learn something new everyday! I know now not to be so easily tempted.
I just can't wait for you to provide a lengthy list of mammals that consume milk past infancy. Please, impress us with your superior knowledge.
I can't WAIT for you to define "Americans". This gets better and better all the time!
I'm sorry. You apparently have never heard of people moving to North America from Western Europe. They're called i-m-m-i-g-r-a-n-t-s.
And yet somehow YOU have never shared with the rest of us YOUR terrible struggle with IBS. Hmmm, one would be lead to believe you are far less credible than you would like to make yourself seem. Let's hear your story - we're all ears.
You obviously only read material that supports your opinion. Please, do tell, exactly how DOES the colon "adjust" to it?Steve Carper's book "Milk is Not for Every Body" has a lot of good information about lactose intolerance. There's also a website you can read for the latest information.
Hmmm, and could that be why I followed it up with "also a website you can read for the latest information"? You have a difficult time admitting that your wrong, don't ya Fluxxy Boy?
I just can't wait for you to provide a lengthy list of mammals that consume milk past infancy. Please, impress us with your superior knowledge.
I can't WAIT for you to define "Americans". This gets better and better all the time!
I'm sorry. You apparently have never heard of people moving to North America from Western Europe. They're called i-m-m-i-g-r-a-n-t-s.
And yet somehow YOU have never shared with the rest of us YOUR terrible struggle with IBS. Hmmm, one would be lead to believe you are far less credible than you would like to make yourself seem. Let's hear your story - we're all ears.
You obviously only read material that supports your opinion. Please, do tell, exactly how DOES the colon "adjust" to it?Steve Carper's book "Milk is Not for Every Body" has a lot of good information about lactose intolerance. There's also a website you can read for the latest information.
Hmmm, and could that be why I followed it up with "also a website you can read for the latest information"? You have a difficult time admitting that your wrong, don't ya Fluxxy Boy?
My mother consumed dairy when she was pregnant with my brother and me. When I was a baby, I projectile vomited...a lot. So did my younger brother. When she was nursing my brother, she figured out that my brother's projectile vomiting and her consumption of dairy were related, time-wise. So she cut out dairy while she was nursing him, and he stopped projectile vomiting. I was never bottle-fed, and my mother believes my projectile vomiting was also related to her dairy consumption.I had increasingly worse GI symptoms over the years. Mine also started around puberty. My parents started taking Lactaid with dairy at some point, with success. My dad doesn't usually take it now...he just lets out lots of nasty farts. My mom has much worse symptoms, including gas and D. I also had those symptoms. I first realized I had those symptoms after consuming a lot of dairy...like a lot of pizza, or pizza and then ice cream or a milkshake. But I wasn't too bad unless I ate a lot of dairy in too short of a time. But after a few years of slowly increasing stomach woes, I thought to give Lactaid a try. Voila! That helped a lot! I think a lot of the pain, discomfort, and D I was getting was due to lactose intolerance. However, it did seem that once I started taking the supplements of lactase enzyme, I was much worse off if I ate dairy without Lactaid. I think my body was producing less lactase than it should have, and once I started supplementing with Lactaid, the natural lactase production decreased even more.I'm curious as to whether anyone has tested the levels of lactase produced by LI adults before starting Lactaid and after using it regularly.Taking Lactaid with dairy reduced my GI symptoms for a while, but there seemed to be more than just LI going on. Like the gradually worsening symptoms that led to my IBS-D diagnosis.
My mother consumed dairy when she was pregnant with my brother and me. When I was a baby, I projectile vomited...a lot. So did my younger brother. When she was nursing my brother, she figured out that my brother's projectile vomiting and her consumption of dairy were related, time-wise. So she cut out dairy while she was nursing him, and he stopped projectile vomiting. I was never bottle-fed, and my mother believes my projectile vomiting was also related to her dairy consumption.I had increasingly worse GI symptoms over the years. Mine also started around puberty. My parents started taking Lactaid with dairy at some point, with success. My dad doesn't usually take it now...he just lets out lots of nasty farts. My mom has much worse symptoms, including gas and D. I also had those symptoms. I first realized I had those symptoms after consuming a lot of dairy...like a lot of pizza, or pizza and then ice cream or a milkshake. But I wasn't too bad unless I ate a lot of dairy in too short of a time. But after a few years of slowly increasing stomach woes, I thought to give Lactaid a try. Voila! That helped a lot! I think a lot of the pain, discomfort, and D I was getting was due to lactose intolerance. However, it did seem that once I started taking the supplements of lactase enzyme, I was much worse off if I ate dairy without Lactaid. I think my body was producing less lactase than it should have, and once I started supplementing with Lactaid, the natural lactase production decreased even more.I'm curious as to whether anyone has tested the levels of lactase produced by LI adults before starting Lactaid and after using it regularly.Taking Lactaid with dairy reduced my GI symptoms for a while, but there seemed to be more than just LI going on. Like the gradually worsening symptoms that led to my IBS-D diagnosis.
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Ever own a cat?? It may make some cats stools loose, but cats of all kinds will drink milk until they die if they are allowed. So would all the dogs that we owned.My understanding of animal behavior is most animals stop drinking milk because Mom won't let them anymore, not because suddenly it makes them so sick that they stop drinking it of their own volition. Generally a nursing Mom won't be able to get pregnant again so if Baby/Litter #1 doesn't get weaned then Baby/Litter #2 won't ever get born.There are a fair number of adult animals that I have seen on various animal shows that do IN FACT drink milk. (assuming that the videos weren't all faked). Milk is used quite a bit in training tigers. The LOVE it, even as adults. They will take a milk carton and open it up enough that it will dribble. The Tiger will concentrate very hard on getting that dribble of milk and it gives them the time they need to do minor veteranary type things without having to put the tiger under everytime they need to do something. Additionally on Animal Planet's Funniest Videos there have been any number of lactating (which would indicate they are adults, right??) milk cows drinking their own milk when squirted at them by the farmer milking them. There was even one acrobatic cow that could get it's head around to drink from her own teat.K.------------------�When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall�Think of it, ALWAYS. �Mahatma GandhiMy story and what worked for me in greatly easing my IBS: http://www.ibsgroup.org/ubb/Forum17/HTML/000015.html I do not work for anyone who sells any IBS related products.
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Ever own a cat?? It may make some cats stools loose, but cats of all kinds will drink milk until they die if they are allowed. So would all the dogs that we owned.My understanding of animal behavior is most animals stop drinking milk because Mom won't let them anymore, not because suddenly it makes them so sick that they stop drinking it of their own volition. Generally a nursing Mom won't be able to get pregnant again so if Baby/Litter #1 doesn't get weaned then Baby/Litter #2 won't ever get born.There are a fair number of adult animals that I have seen on various animal shows that do IN FACT drink milk. (assuming that the videos weren't all faked). Milk is used quite a bit in training tigers. The LOVE it, even as adults. They will take a milk carton and open it up enough that it will dribble. The Tiger will concentrate very hard on getting that dribble of milk and it gives them the time they need to do minor veteranary type things without having to put the tiger under everytime they need to do something. Additionally on Animal Planet's Funniest Videos there have been any number of lactating (which would indicate they are adults, right??) milk cows drinking their own milk when squirted at them by the farmer milking them. There was even one acrobatic cow that could get it's head around to drink from her own teat.K.------------------�When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall�Think of it, ALWAYS. �Mahatma GandhiMy story and what worked for me in greatly easing my IBS: http://www.ibsgroup.org/ubb/Forum17/HTML/000015.html I do not work for anyone who sells any IBS related products.
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I decided to test myself again and ate 1/2 cup of full fat vanilla ice cream last night. I was shocked to find that it did not make me more C and did not add to my colon problems! There was a small amount of temporary nausea which I probabl would have had anyway.As far as humans being "designed" to consume dairy; that's ridiculous! We eat a LOT of foods that other animals in nature do not. There is no food that should not be eaten by any human being. However, some people will have reactions to some foods or types of food; this cannot be applied to everyone though.
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I decided to test myself again and ate 1/2 cup of full fat vanilla ice cream last night. I was shocked to find that it did not make me more C and did not add to my colon problems! There was a small amount of temporary nausea which I probabl would have had anyway.As far as humans being "designed" to consume dairy; that's ridiculous! We eat a LOT of foods that other animals in nature do not. There is no food that should not be eaten by any human being. However, some people will have reactions to some foods or types of food; this cannot be applied to everyone though.
I would guess they all they can. As K has pointed out, they only don't if it is around for them to drink it.
People who grew up and live in Minneapolis-St. Paul Minnesota.
People living in Western Europe have not been tested AFAIK. I am not sure how whether their choosing to move to America has any bearing on their being included or excluded by researchers studying LI
There are two things that lactose does in the colon: it causes osmotic diarrhea and gas. The colon gets a lot of undgisted material from other carbohydrates in the American diet and may eventually "learn" to adjust how it handles the incoming load. The bacteria may do the same and the colon may also "learn" to deal with slightly increased gas production.
I am referring to the website.------------------I am not a doctor, nor do I work for profit in the medical/pharmacological field, but I have read scientific and medical texts, and have access to numerous sources of medical information that are not readily available to others. One should always consult a medical professional regarding advice received.[This message has been edited by flux (edited 09-18-2001).]
I would guess they all they can. As K has pointed out, they only don't if it is around for them to drink it.
People who grew up and live in Minneapolis-St. Paul Minnesota.
People living in Western Europe have not been tested AFAIK. I am not sure how whether their choosing to move to America has any bearing on their being included or excluded by researchers studying LI
There are two things that lactose does in the colon: it causes osmotic diarrhea and gas. The colon gets a lot of undgisted material from other carbohydrates in the American diet and may eventually "learn" to adjust how it handles the incoming load. The bacteria may do the same and the colon may also "learn" to deal with slightly increased gas production.
I am referring to the website.------------------I am not a doctor, nor do I work for profit in the medical/pharmacological field, but I have read scientific and medical texts, and have access to numerous sources of medical information that are not readily available to others. One should always consult a medical professional regarding advice received.[This message has been edited by flux (edited 09-18-2001).]
Flux,Thank you for your thoughtful response about which mammals consume milk after infancy. The list was thorough and quite extensive. I am getting the inkling that you must be involved in zoology.I need to correct my first post. I meant to type Eastern Europe instead of Western Europe.Over the years I've had a difficult time deciding who is "American" and who is not. Little did I know that I could have just written you and learned that Americans are people living in Minneapolis-St. Paul Minnesota.As so many of us have said on the chat board, none of us really have all of the answers. So many of us have had different symptoms, different tests, and different life experiences that, collectively, it is sometimes difficult to find concrete patterns between our cases of IBS. That being said, I need to ask if you emailed Steve Carper about the last time his website was updated. It seems grossly unfair to someone who trying to provide the public with information that may help them manage their dietary lives to post something that is probably completely false.But don't fret, I emailed him for you and asked.
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I can see it now, when losing at a checkers, you were most likely the kid who picked up the board and threw across the room so "no one could win"...
Flux,Thank you for your thoughtful response about which mammals consume milk after infancy. The list was thorough and quite extensive. I am getting the inkling that you must be involved in zoology.I need to correct my first post. I meant to type Eastern Europe instead of Western Europe.Over the years I've had a difficult time deciding who is "American" and who is not. Little did I know that I could have just written you and learned that Americans are people living in Minneapolis-St. Paul Minnesota.As so many of us have said on the chat board, none of us really have all of the answers. So many of us have had different symptoms, different tests, and different life experiences that, collectively, it is sometimes difficult to find concrete patterns between our cases of IBS. That being said, I need to ask if you emailed Steve Carper about the last time his website was updated. It seems grossly unfair to someone who trying to provide the public with information that may help them manage their dietary lives to post something that is probably completely false.But don't fret, I emailed him for you and asked.
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I can see it now, when losing at a checkers, you were most likely the kid who picked up the board and threw across the room so "no one could win"...
There was no need. He states this on the page...http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/RESEARCH.htm that it is May 8, 1997.------------------I am not a doctor, nor do I work for profit in the medical/pharmacological field, but I have read scientific and medical texts, and have access to numerous sources of medical information that are not readily available to others. One should always consult a medical professional regarding advice received.
There was no need. He states this on the page...http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/RESEARCH.htm that it is May 8, 1997.------------------I am not a doctor, nor do I work for profit in the medical/pharmacological field, but I have read scientific and medical texts, and have access to numerous sources of medical information that are not readily available to others. One should always consult a medical professional regarding advice received.
i just finished reading this for one of my physical anth classes.. so what the heck..this is from physical anthropologist/primatologist sarah blaffer hrdy (and the opinion any other self-respecting anthropologist/biologist/geneticist/evolutionscientist/primatologist/etc). "A suprising amount of epidemiological history can be read into the genes of surviving human populations. Genes can also tell us something about what foods people were adapted to eat. Consider the genes for lactose tolerance. All baby mammals are born with the digestive equipment to synthesize the enzyme lactase. This enzyme enables them to break down and digest lactose, the carbohydrates in milk. Among many humans around the world the ability to digest milk sugars does not persist into adulthood. After all, being able to digest milk would be completely useless to adult foragers, who do not herd animals. Individuals who lack the appropriate enzyme to drink unprocessed milk may suffer from gas or diarrhea. This is why Western aid, which typically included powdered milk, got such a bad name in large areas of sub-Saharan Africa in the 1970s. Instead of helping, the donated milk powder made people sick. Today, the main explanation for why so much diversity in milk tolerance exists is that since the end of the Pleistocene, some human populations began herding cows and consuming dairy products; others did not. In another example of rapid evolution, just in the last ten thousand years, the genes that promote lactase synthesis past infancy spread in populations where milk was fed long past weaning, and were lost where it was not. Fewer than 2 percent of adults in a population with a horticultural history, such as the Bantu of Central Africa, test positive for lactose digestion, and no Kung! do. By contrast, 90-100 percent of Tutsi populations in Rwanda and the Congo- all descended from milk-dependent pastoralists- retain the capacity to digest milk sugars throughout their lives."moral of the story: lactose tolerance is a genetic anomaly. take the test or try an eliminatin diet. i may be vegan (and hence morally opposed to eating dairy products) but i trust solid science over propaghanda. if you want dairy and you can eat dairy have at it, if you can handle small amounts and you're comfortable eating it, go for it.. if you can't eat it try something different like soy or rice milk. take the test or eliminate it from your diet and find out for yourself.
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