hi can anyone tell me if they have tried hypnosis for IBS and also if thye have used a registered person from the uk register , also has anyone use the The IBS Audio Program 100 also by michael mahoney , i would love to know if it worked at all in any small way i had accupunture for a shoulder injury once and it worked so wondering if this is worth a try to cheerssean
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I used Mike Mahoneys program- it is very good.I would suggest checking on the "CBT and Hypnotherapy" section of the forums here for info- the mod is Marilyn and she is very, very knowlegeable.There are all the success stories on there from previous users of it too.Best of luck!
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I started using it, stopped, and am probably going to start again tonight.My advice is not to take the advice of cookies4marilyn or eric about the hypnotherapy because they're employed by Michael Mahoney. I don't doubt their integrity but it's common sense. Apologies if that offends either of you, but I'd never take the advice of people who have a vested interest. Like I say, it's got nothing to do with you as people.There's enough other evidence on the forum to suggest that it's worth gambling £60 on, in my opinion.
ty for the advice master thats clears that for me then i got caught like that before by a person saying use this and that and it was a nurse recommended the person to me trouble was turned out she was also part of the practise in a round bout sort of way so it earned her money to get ppl to use this , ok well ty again i shall just have to read more as right now i have the stomach ache from hell so the mind ain't on reading but oh well lets keep the brain busy i saycheerssean
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For those who don't know, and if I remember correctly, both Cookiesformarilyn and eric were IBS sufferers and members here BEFORE they did Mike's tapes.That makes a difference in my mind from someone who never had IBS who may or may not even use the product themselves that comes here to sell us something.I also believe that eric no longer works with Mike.Just my two cents.K.
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As long standing contributors and members of the BB I take great exception to your remarks about Cookies4marilyn and Eric. I have no doubt whatsoever that their contributions to this BB are honest and above board regardless of any personal business considerations. Many physicians involved in research for IBS have acted as consultants for several pharmaceuticals. Should we consider their research or papers suspect because of their personal connections? I suspect not. I ask that you give these individuals the same consideration.Jeff
hi i am not down on either person as ido not know them i am listening to advice from others and just taking all options right now and from the pain i am in i will try most things but thats just from a pain point of view sorry if i have offended you or any that was not what i was trying to do i want advice first and formost and i am reading alot on here tycheers sean
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I don't really understand the problem? I've said that I have no reason to doubt the integrity of either person BUT that I wouldn't accept their recommendations because there's a conflict of interest there. It's nothing personal at all whatsoever and I've already apologised in advance in case they are offended. I'm not saying their views on IBS are worthless, I've read both their stories and I've read a lot of stuff about clinical studies and such that eric has posted and I appreciate all of this, but on this specific subject I try not to read too much into their posts for what I see as a valid, common sense reason.I did buy the CDs and I would recommend them to anyone who's really having problems with their IBS and can't tie it to any type of food. But I made that decision based on reading the views of people not on Michael Mahoney's payroll and I would advise anyone else to do the same.
I personally don't make money off the sale of tapes. I do work for Mike part time as a webmaster and have built numerous sites for him and am in the process of a new IBS register site up date and redesign.However,I and my business partner have over 300 sites as a webmasters and I maintain some of them and build some of them for people totally unrelated to IBS. I had to switch what I did for a living because of IBS and to get out of a very high stress high end restaurant postion of over twenty years.I lose money every month in IBS however, from my personal sites, my bb and my time, which is overwhelming. I am not in it for the money, although it would be great someday to be compensated for the major time and effort I put into it all over the years, but I still do it regardless, because of the major impact it has had on my life. It is satisfying to me to be able to help others, but frankly it doesn't pay my bills and I do it out of dedication and from the heart.I also have a part time to almost full time job as a chef.I make 50 a month hosting and maintaining two sites and it is quite a bit of work and costs.I am very careful of what I say in regards to Mike tapes and myself and never push them. In part because of the relationship, otherwise I would post it all the time, it has been the best thing I have ever done and many people that have done them since I have on here and there are lots of people. They have a momentum of their own now.When I started posting here about five years ago, Mike Mahoney was also posting to the bb here. Marilyn had not yet Joined to my knowledge. It was a much smaller group around 800 then, not the tens of thousands it has become and most of us were very close friends. Many have left now.I was extremely desperate for relief and had many suicidal thoughts from it and living with the symptoms, especially the very severe pain I was having about four times a week, sometimes twice a day or all day. I didn't make up "My Story." On the recommendation of Judy who was a bb member and who has since pasted away, god rest her soul, I decided to try them after reading up on HT for IBS. I will be forever in grateful to her. It took off from there here and there is a record of it all in posts and the archives. It was then that I started recommending them to others. First damn thing I found that really worked on my global symptoms.I have also never suggested they work for everyone, but you will never know unless you try them or even a trained hypnotherapist.I don't really feel the need to explain myself, but am for the record, because this comes up from time to time. I also post way more IBS information then I talk about hypnotherapy as a successful treatment. I also post a lot about stress reduction and psychophysiological arousal and up to date IBS information.
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eric, how do you feel about what I've posted in this thread?
masterplan Given the shear number of posts by people who come here to "Sell products" and the shear number of bogus websites on treatments for IBS, most of which lack any sceintific studies, I understand anyones concern about "this worked for me." But like you pointed out now its worked for a lot of people or they would be gone off the site. "There's enough other evidence on the forum to suggest that it's worth gambling "Anyone who wants to can ask myself or Marilyn what involvement we have at any time. That is totally up front.Of course Both of us also try to help users as they go as well. It isn't just about a "sale" and leaving people in the dust. There is more to it then that in a bigger picture. It is one benefit to them and others helping.I have personally helped guide hundreds through the process. I don't get money for that at all.On my own website over the years I have had tons of people with products they want on my site. I refuse to put anything there that doesn't have some good research behind it as a legitimate treatment for IBS. I would have made some money had I done that, but I would have probably "hurt" people in the process of doing that and advertising for moneys sake and not really to help people with IBS. I apply the same ideas to Mike's sites. First do no harm.I have spent an enormous amount of time researching Hypnotherapy in general and Hypnotherapy for IBS as well as IBS and digestive system functioning which itself is extremely important. A large part of that was with real researcher in real time. I knew nothing about Hypnotherapy when I joined here.All I can say is I personally can share what I have learned and people can make up their own choices and decisions. After years of doing this I have gained a substanial amount of information. I think if someone is really paying attension and interested in the program and following Mike, who is a real expert on this with very good credentials, or Marilyns advise or mine, ask questions, check references, read the websites and such they will see the dedication and the help. Even if someone wants to find a Therapist in person, we help with that for HT or CBT. I also looked at some old posts. The first was two years agohttp://ibsgroup.org/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f...010482#14010482This was one of the first posts, with Judy(Persistance) telling me about HT for IBS in 1999.http://ibsgroup.org/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f...210234#79210234We even use to have HT and IBS chats in the chat roomI do know also there would be a lot of people who were successful with the tapes posting to this thread who have left the group.Jean GAZmomJudamaressencejane93norbertBRand many many more I can't even remeber anymore.Take a look through some old posts in the archives.
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So if i actively recommend them to you as a sufferer, how is that different to you taking advice from Marilyn or Eric?Marilyn did the CDs before she started working for Mike.If Mike wanted my help i would in a flash! I have offered to in the past as well.You may take advice from Marilyn, she is there to help you with it- not sell it to you.She'll recommend it, because she has used it. Not because she works for Mike.Argh- that makes me kind of mad.
PS Masterplan, I would give you just as much help trying to understand the role of serotonin in IBS, or Pet and Fmri scans in IBS, Or the role of the immune system in IBS or foods as triggers in IBS or stress as a contributer as well as a trigger in IBS or how the weather can trigger symptoms, or moleclur defects seen in IBS, or any other information I could personally help you with in regards to IBS and my own understanding of the disorder, including other treatments.
I completed Mike's tapes earlier this year. If not for Marilyn I would not be where I am to date. The tapes have been great in reducing my anxiety and lessening my episodes of D. I have had D episodes but they were usually my own stupid fault for eating foods that would give anyone D. I also had a rough time last month due to taking a stop smoking pill and it sent my gut to hell and back. You will not find a more compassionate, caring, patient person around here than Marilyn.Same goes for Eric. They are here to help because they want to give back to those that are suffering. I take great acception that you would make such a statement about either Eric or Marilyn. Both give so much to this BB just because!!!
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I've said in my posts that I've read a load of the stuff you've posted on these things and that I appreciate your posts on them. I wouldn't hesitate to take your advice on anything IBS-related except Mike's CDs. It's not about calling you a liar or anything like that, it's about protecting yourself from all the rubbish that's out there about IBS and it's treatments. I don't take medical advice from ANYONE who appears to have a financial interest in you taking their advice. This is not about you as an individual.quote:Originally posted by ericS Masterplan, I would give you just as much help trying to understand the role of serotonin in IBS, or Pet and Fmri scans in IBS, Or the role of the immune system in IBS or foods as triggers in IBS or stress as a contributer as well as a trigger in IBS or how the weather can trigger symptoms, or moleclur defects seen in IBS, or any other information I could personally help you with in regards to IBS and my own understanding of the disorder, including other treatments.
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What I'm trying to say is that I do not distrust either of you as individuals, but I retain a scepticism about anyone's views on subjects that they appear to hold a financial interest in. I don't think I can put it any clearer than that. I'm not sitting here and accusing you of being dishonest people. I made the decision that I would try to ignore any posts about Mike's CDs by anyone employed by Mike. I do not see anything wrong with taking that attitude. You're both taking this personally and there's no need to.
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I guess if you went to my doctor you wouldn't take any of his advice because he does research for IBS so gets grants to study things he thinks works well both from the government and from drug companies.FWIW he is one of the most caring doctors I see and I would never think less of his opinion because he does research on IBS and that might be seen by some as too much of a vested interest in making someone else money or keeping his grants or his position on comittees, etc. Actually I'd have to ignore everything all my doctor's say because I am lucky enough to have a research/teaching hospital as my primary source for medical care and mostly see people who are professors so they all do research so they must all be only in it for all the wrong reasons. Once in awhile I get a resident, but I've been lucky to get people who are permenantly on staff as professors.The problem is as much as you say that you are trying to say they are above board and truthful the way you say it makes it seem sound like you do see them exactly the same as some jerk trying to make double diamond for their MLM and feel you need to warn everyone away from them just like you would some huckster. The disclaimer doesn't really take the sting out of the implications at least for me. K.
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I find it absolutely bizarre that people can't see my perspective, really strange. The fact that Mike has a statement prepared proves that he himself knows exactly where I'm coming from. People with IBS are desperate people and people DO try to take advantage.
Those are the first results for "IBS" on Google. Sites like that make me believe that people need to take precautions when it comes to these things. It's common sense. I think that there is enough apparently impartial information on this forum to show that the CDs are worth trying.
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Masterplan, there's no doubt that there are lots of scammers out there - if I had a nickle for every time I read the words "cure" or "breakthrough" next to a whole load of bilge about IBS then I'd be a very rich woman.I don't think there's anything wrong with you not taking advice from people who have a vested financial interest, and as you say I think that's commonsense. However, the huge difference between people like the lovely Digestrin sellers (the first paid-for result on Google, not the first organic result, which is far more trustworthy) is that the Digestrin people have already proved their uselessness before they've started - 100% guaranteed to work my eye.I think that all people are saying is that you won't catch either Eric or Marilyn, who have both been members of this board since the dawn of time and so - as you have found! - have a lot of fans, sayin anything remotely like that. They don't say hypno works because they want to sell it, they say it works because it works for them, and they've been sent loads of testimonials from genuine members of this board, and they've done clinical trials, and all the rest of it. I think that's all people are trying to say - that you can trust what Eric and Marilyn say whatever their involvement with Mike, and you can doublecheck it and verify too through these boards and pubmed.com and elsewhere.
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