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I've been experimenting with Lactaid extra strength caplets, and noticed MORE gas. Could it be that one of the ingredients is mannitol? Also, I avoid dairy products, but I am concerned about the foods that I eat that may contain small amounts of lactose. How long would it take to notice an improvement when taking Lactaid? Should it be taken with every meal that may have a trace of lactose in it?Thanks!
 

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quote:am concerned about the foods that I eat that may contain small amounts of lactose
In all likliehood, your problem is not related to lactose.
 

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Flux, I went to a specialist several years ago, and he told me that some people are so sensitive to lactose that tiny amounts of lactose in foods can set off the gas. However, I can sometimes eat pizza and get no gas, and eat a non-dairy food, and get all kinds of gas. So I have to agree with your opinion on this. Do you think that a med like Elavil could help with the hypersensitivity to the gas and help with the trapped gas? I could put up with the gas if it didn't get so trapped for hours. What is your opinion on fiber? Would that help it from getting so trapped, and help with motility...or would it cause MORE gas?Thanks,Darlene
 

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I know you wanted flux's opinion but did you ask your doc about neostigmine, Darlene? That may be a better medicine than Elavil as it won't affect the mind as far as I know. Whenever one goes to a gastro about gas that is the first thing they suggest- lactose intolerance.Why don't you do this test at home that has come up on the board a couple of times, if you don't want to do the actual test. Get your husband to add Nutra Sweet to a glass of milk so the sweetness matches a glass of Lactaid milk and have it give him to you so you don't know which is which. Note down the symptoms. Then you will know hopefully.
 

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Hello Darlene,
quote:some people are so sensitive to lactose that tiny amounts of lactose in foods can set off the gas.
Untrue.
quote:Do you think that a med like Elavil could help with the hypersensitivity to the gas and help with the trapped gas? I could put up with the gas if it didn't get so trapped for hours. What is your opinion on fiber? Would that help it from getting so trapped, and help with motility...or would it cause MORE gas?
Elavil may help with the hypersensitivity, but it's hard to predict its effect on motility of trapped gas. I suspect fiber would probably make things worse. It could increase the gas a lot, but only if you really had aggressive bacteria, but why are the effects are inconsistent, I am not sure. You should have a lot after eating pizza if the gas is from the bacteria. Did you ever fast from food for a couple of days? I don't seem to remember.
Neostigmine would probably send your gut into a frenzy.
 

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Hi Flux,Thanks for replying, and for your opinion on this chronic gas. No, I never fasted for a couple of days. I know that it sounds easy and that 48 hours doesn't sound that long, but I am the type of person that needs to eat every couple of hours, or I feel very lightheaded and unwell. One medication that has been very effective for the gas is Pamine. I started out by taking just one pill each morning, and the gas would stay gone all day long until the following morning. After about two weeks, it just stopped working completely. My doctor then told me to take it every other day, to prevent building up a resistance to it. This seems to work pretty well, although my mornings are still bad. Also, since I am taking it every other day, I only get this daytime relief half of the time. If I take more than one Pamine a day, then I get very bloated and constipated. This is a very complex gas problem, and extremely difficult to balance. My point is that since Pamine seems to respond to this, it appears to be a motility problem. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I would also appreciate your thoughts on any of the above. I know that the only way that I can rule out if this gas is coming from the atmosphere is to fast, but I am pretty sure it is fermentation. It may be a combination of bacterial gas and atmosphere.Thanks for any other insights that you can provide.
Darlene
 

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quote:I started out by taking just one pill each morning, and the gas would stay gone all day long until the following morning.
I have no idea how it could do that, so I suspect it's not related.
quote:Ithat since Pamine seems to respond to this, it appears to be a motility problem
I don't see how motility can affect gas in this fashion, either.
quote:It may be a combination of bacterial gas and atmosphere
Time for a trip to Minnesota.
quote:huh?
Neostigmine would give the gut convulsions. Is that news?
 

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Yes it is news, flux! Just as well you told me about it. If I had known that I wouldn't be recommending it. Although now that you mention it there was some discomfort noted in one of the tests after they administered neostogmine which however soon passed away. Is that what you are referring to?
 

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Pamine Rx Only (methscopolamine bromide) The discomforts of bloating, diarrhea, cramps and other related GI problems caused by hypermotility (increased muscular activity in the GI tract) is, in fact, a fairly common condition. Statistics show that as many as 20% - 30% of the general population experience these symptoms on a regular basis.Pamine helps relieve the pain associated with bloating, diarrhea, and cramps by slowing the motion of the GI tract
 

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I agree with Darlene that slowing down the digestive tract would give the foood more time to digest. Had never thought about it before. In that sense hypnosis could also help as it slows down the motility if you want it to.
 

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quote:slowing the motion of the digestive tract helps the food to digest better and less fermentation to take place.
This is clearly backwards. Anticholinergics interfere with digestion in every possible way.
 

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Oh flux, you made my good friend Darlene feel bad. You didn't mean to, did you? While I don't know a thing about anticholinergenics and they may interfere in digestion in many ways, it seems to me if they slow down the tract, they may aid in digestion by just that factor? Give all the enzymes a longer time to work etc. You are not disputing that they slow down the digestive tract?
 

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quote: may interfere in digestion in many ways, it seems to me if they slow down the tract, they may aid in digestion by just that factor? Give all the enzymes a longer time to work etc.
Not a chance. Think of it like their causing a major traffic jam (although the analogy isn't perfect).
 

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flux, you come up with the greatest analogies but can you come up with a great graphic for Darlene, please? Make that your goal- for every "wrong" graphic you put up, put up a "right" one. Puns are intentional.
 
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