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I had the problem and found out that milk caused it. I stopped using milk and milk products. Then, while researching for Crohn's which my husband is dealing with, I ran across a book called "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" by Elaine Gotschall. By using the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, we are much better off. The diet uses a homemade yogurt which I can eat because all the lactose is processed out of it. It is good and makes good ice cream. In this diet we use alot of honey, almond flour (which I grind myself), and fresh meats, veggies, and fruits. The book will give you what you need to know. Order it, spend < $20, and get started. Try it for a month or two and see what happens. I've bought into it and think it's great and I think you will too!
 

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I had the problem and found out that milk caused it. I stopped using milk and milk products. Then, while researching for Crohn's which my husband is dealing with, I ran across a book called "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" by Elaine Gotschall. By using the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, we are much better off. The diet uses a homemade yogurt which I can eat because all the lactose is processed out of it. It is good and makes good ice cream. In this diet we use alot of honey, almond flour (which I grind myself), and fresh meats, veggies, and fruits. The book will give you what you need to know. Order it, spend < $20, and get started. Try it for a month or two and see what happens. I've bought into it and think it's great and I think you will too!
Thanks. I was off milk for two months when this first started and it did not help. I will look at some of the other things you have mentioned!!
 

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One of the things I hate most about forums, is people who post something, and everybody takes the time to help them, then they never come back.How many times have you read posts and felt that the person was onto something, then suddenly the thread ends, leaving you hanging?Well, I promised that if I was able to find some relief for this leakage issue I would share it. So, here is what has cut my problem down by 50%Pure, organic psyllium powder. I take one teaspoon, three times day, mixed into water. My wife bought me a frother to mix it, otherwise forget about it. It will get stuck to the roof of your mouth, and if taken without enough water, may even cause choking.So, I put the water in the glass, about 6 ounces, add 1tsp of psyllium and froth away. Drink it down in one shot because it tastes like sh..The first few days it caused me some gas and bloating, but it seems to have subsided after three weeks.Works for me!!Anybody else having any luck??
 

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Hi Colt,Any change yet? I'm at wit's end with this.I've been doing some more researching and wonder if it might be rectal nerve damage causing incomplete evacuation. At least in my case, because I had chronic constipation a few years ago. Take care
 

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Hi ColtThe only solution that works for me is when the BM's are firm and "normal" then I don't have any urgency, leakage or cramping. However, the million dollar question is "How to get the BM's firm and normal" LOL. Sometimes I have a good few days or even a week where this happens and I rack my brain trying to work out what I possibly have done different in my life/diet for this change then BAM back to a shitty day (pardon the pun).
I hear ya. I have just returned from vacation and took Immodium every day, which helps. But I still want to fined out the cause.Good luck to you and thanks for the reply.
 

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Hello - I've had IBS for many years in the form of C and D. I didn't know until recently that I had C - I just thought it was odd that I didn't go for days - it didn't cause me pain. The pain would come when I finally had a BM and it was usually D. I didn't know what to do about it and tried dietary changes, fiber etc and the result was that I just had IBS-D. I was regular but it was D. Then about 3 or 4 months ago I started experiencing messy diarrhea every day. Messy as in incomplete evacuation where I had to carry wipes with me to help clean up. When it would leak out of me, it would burn and cause rubbing to where it would bleed a little. This would happen at work, when I would go hiking (horrible), go for a walk or whatever. It was a mess, almost everyday and I would rarely have good days. I went back to the Dr(s) plural - I go to a D.O, and a naturopathy Dr. They both recommended the food elimination diet which overwhelmed me. I tested negative for celiac. I did my own research online because I was desperate. I found a antibiotic that seemed hopeful but I am so against antibiotics because they destroy good bacteria. As I mentioned I was willing to try anything because I was tired of the mess everday. I learned through a friend that her Dr gave her food sensitivity tests and she got all kinds of feedback on foods her body didn't like. What I read online is that they weren't very reliable. I decided that I wanted to do the food sensitivity tests and I wanted to do 2 of them from different companies to compare the results. Well guess what? I had a strong reaction to coffee and flax seed on both tests! One test was more sensitive it seemed and found other foods that I was moderately reacting to. I have stopped consuming these foods for two weeks now and it's been a MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!! I started having more good days than bad, my BM were NORMAL - it was so good to see normal again!!! So my point is, if you haven't done food sensitivy tests - get them done! You may have to pay out of pocket but it's worth every penny in my opinion. Some insurance companies might pay. My tests cost around $270 - $400 or so. The one I recommend if you are only going to do one of them is LRA by ELISA/ACT Biotechnologies. I just want to share my miracle and hope that you can find relief for your issues you are having. It's been so awesome these past few weeks being normal again. Good luck.
 

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Well okay, I thought I would update this topic. Recently was prescribed generic Questran, which did help firm up my stool, and seems to be continuing to do so. BUT, what it has not helped is the original problem I started this thread for. I am still experiencing the same watery brown leakage after bowel movements and it is truly driving me crazy. After a BM, I can return to the bathroom and wipe every twenty minutes all day. Of course this has caused intense irritation which I use all kinds of creams to get some relief. Psyllium helped a bit too, but I still want to know what is causing this. I have made an appointment with my GP and am demanding to see another specialist as the one I was sent to told be that I should just live with it. BS!!

Just thought I would update as the one pet peeve I have is people who leave threads hanging. Especially when you read the five page thread and find out the person simply disappeared.
 

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Just another update in case any one of the posters is still around or better yet...has found a cure.

Went to a second gastro and heard the same thing as the first. He did not use the term IBS at any point though. He seemed baffled by these symptoms.

He told me to continue on Questran, but double the amount. Told me to tak as many Imodium as needed as he has many patients who take ten a day for years. He also told me to cut carb intake.
 

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Hi Colt, I just read through the thread. I hate to think you are still suffering, you seem to have this problem worse than I had it.

...I had it... I do still have some problems, but have a routine now. That means for the most part I am able to function day to day without the same level of discomfort as before.

I have had a number of other health changes/diagnosis since posting here. I can go into some detail, but may have to a bit later as I have had some wine [!] and should not really be posting whilst under the influence.

I'll be back.
 

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I am a male and I too had a problem cleaning up after BM, which started around age 45. I am 59 years old now. The sphincter (anal ) muscles tend to contract after most BM, trapping some stool in the process. It normally takes about 30 minutes for the muscles relax again and release the trapped stool. The best way I found to rid myself of this stool is to first use tissue after BM, then go to the bathroom as soon as the muscles have relaxed, wipe, wash and wipe again. And if BM happened before taking a bath, simply wait until the muscles relax to take your bath and wash then; but if you do not have time and need to jump in the shower right a way, simply dig it out, several times, with your own finger as you shower.
 

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I reduced my posting here on IBSgroup when I seemed to swap one health problem for another, developing severe reflux/gerd. I was prescribed Omeprazole, to reduce stomach acid production, and this coincided with a beneficial reduction in my IBS symptoms.

I am now assuming that some of my original IBS problem could have been because of excess acid making its way to the large intestine, which, possibly, produced extra mucus to protect the gut lining and may have encouraged reverse osmosis, meaning stool was softer. The idea that excess mucus and IBS-D is sometimes caused by excess acidity in the gut could partly explain how calcium [alkaline] works to reduce diarrhoea symptoms.

Excess acidity in the lower GI could be caused by all manner of things, eg, excess stomach acid and/or reduced Bile production or action [Bile helps neutralise some of the stomachs acid] etc.

Of course this could all be coincidence, and I was getting better anyway, or I could be having a good side effect of the acid reducing drug.

I am not suggesting that people start taking Omeprazole.

There are low acid diets and alkaline supplements that could be tried.

I hope of some use. All the best
 

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Thanks for the replies Mr100 and Mike.

Mr100, are you saying that this medicine has stopped your leakage issue? I still suffer the same way as I always have, and today is a particularly bad day.

It is interesting that you talk about acid. I find that my leakage seems to be worse when I wake up in the morning with a burning stomach.

Just got back from a week long vacation where I controlled it the only way I can.....took a pile of Immodium and basically avoided going to the toilet. The place I went to was very hot, and the last thing I wanted was an irritated anus out in the heat.

I really appreciate all the people who have supported this thread. This problem, although minor and not deadly, most definitely alters your life.

Mr100, would you consider taking some otc antacid if you were me - just to see what happens? That is of course if the meds have helped your leakage.

Best of luck to all, and hopefully one day I will update this thread with a cure or a good remedy other than wiping ten times and showering and wiping and washing and ointments........
 

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Evening colt, Yes I am mostly cured of my IBS-d issues. I have occasional days when I am reminded of how things used to be, but put that down to dietary intake, like too much fruit or wine.

Yes I would consider a trial of PPI based antacid in your position. Ideally you should consult your primary doctor [GP] first and obtain his support. He will know your medical history and will be able to advise about potential side-effects.

The alternative is to go it alone and obtain some OTC medication. I would not do this without some advice and guidance from a medical professional.

I am pretty certain in my case that it is the Omeprazole that has changed things for me, but as you say, it could be something else.

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First of all, a big thanks to Mr 100 for being the type of guy who still comes back here to help even though he has found relief. So many people, I am sure, find results and relief and leave the rest of us hanging.

Mr100 can you list the most effective meds/diet items that have helped you?

Thanks again.
 

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Hi Colt, Happy New Year. Apols for the delay in replying.

My diet is fairly normal and mixed. There is an accent on alkaline foods.

I have a Rice based breakfast with semi-skimmed cows milk, a few blueberries, a banana and two cups of tea.

Lunch is normally a sandwich, with cheese or peanut butter, maybe some salad leaves, an apple and a coffee

Supper is often fish or chicken with potato and other veg.

Meds/Supplements

1x20mg omeprazole am and pm [total 40mg]

1x400mg Turmeric am and pm [total 800mg]

1xhigh quality fish oil capsule am only

1xvitamin B tablet am only

Hope of use.

Mr100
 

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Hi Colt, Happy New Year. Apols for the delay in replying.

My diet is fairly normal and mixed. There is an accent on alkaline foods.

I have a Rice based breakfast with semi-skimmed cows milk, a few blueberries, a banana and two cups of tea.

Lunch is normally a sandwich, with cheese or peanut butter, maybe some salad leaves, an apple and a coffee

Supper is often fish or chicken with potato and other veg.

Meds/Supplements

1x20mg omeprazole am and pm [total 40mg]

1x400mg Turmeric am and pm [total 800mg]

1xhigh quality fish oil capsule am only

1xvitamin B tablet am only

Hope of use.

Mr100
Sorry for the late reply Mr100, I did not get a notification of this reply. I am going to look at some of those things that you mention, because I have tried none of them. Was the Omeprazole prescribed for your IBS?

Thanks, Colt.
 

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This sounds like a good theory:

"Having the same problem and looking at all the possible sources I have com to this conclusion. In the morning I have a regular bowel movement with no problems, however during the day there are the same issues with frequent semi watery movements with burning, itching sensation. Sometimes blood upon wiping. I believe that what is going on is that the digestive tract is passing along predigested food too quickly to the lower intestine. The normal digestive process takes some time and the end product is a succession of food that has gone through the stomach where it is broken down by strong acids, and onto the small and large intestines where the nutrients are absorbed until it reaches the end point. The pancreatic digestive compounds and bile from the liver are added early on to assist in breaking down the organic compounds but if the stool is passed quickly to the anus the acidic residue is still active an when passing to the sensitive rectal tissues , it burns and causes the issue described above. Sometimes the remedies of taking certain compounds probably neutralizes the effects or lines the digestive tract to the rectum so the acidic fluids are not exposed to the sensitive anal tissues. The fresh blood is from the irritation of the rectum after wiping and usually heals quickly."

http://www.steadyhealth.com/Itching_and_burning_rectal_area_after_bowel_movements__incre_t83636.html

I'd have a look at inflammatory foods. For some people, expecially with diarrhea, IBS could be a low level inflammatory bowel disorder. Wheat would be one of the biggest problem foods, but all of the high FODMAPs could also cause inflammation. Certain fats if you can't absorb them.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/bowel_incontinence/hic-fecal-incontinence.aspx%C2

This site suggests: Inability of the rectum to stretch. If the muscles of the rectum are not as elastic as they should be, excess stool that builds up can leak out. Inflammatory bowel disease (such as Crohn's disease) can also affect the rectum's ability to stretch.

The best diet for everyone with IBS is a low inflammatory, mainly mild fibre diet that would be suitable for someone in a nursing home. Think bland and easy to digest. If you must eat wheat, try toast rather than bread as everyone digests toast easier. If you must have milk, try A2 milk. Nightshades can cause inflammation, but in my case these affect my skin not my colon. Any foods can be inflammatory if you can't digest them properly and this includes constipating foods like refined flour. Investigate Leaky Gut and Celiac Disease as these diets are anti-inflammatory. If your IBS type leans more to diarrhea this is another clue that you are eating inflammatory foods. RAST tests are good indicators of actual food allergies but the wheat test only tests for certain proteins so an exclusion diet is still the best option.
 
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