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I was reading in a book on pregnancy. It said that gas incontinence can result from nerve an/or muscle damage.I was also looking on another website:http://www.aboutincontinence.org/causes.htmlThe indicated the following: "Continence depends on functioning muscles and nerves in and around the rectum and anal canal.""Incontinence can result from a variety of factors, such as functional impairment or structural damage to certain muscles or nerves. Fecal incontinence is rarely due to a single factor."The is also alot of information about pelvic floor muscle disfunction and how it affects continence. Most of the time they are referring to fecal incontinence but do acknowledge gas incontinence along with fecal. I don't see how the two could not be related. If LG is related to nerve or muscle disfunction, maybe that's why it is so unpredictable. There is alot of information on that site. I just haven't had time to go through the whole thing. Maybe someone associated with the site might know where to direct us LGers for help.
 

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quote:posted 10 April 2006 03:51 PMI was reading in a book on pregnancy. It said that gas incontinence can result from nerve an/or muscle damage.
It specifically said gas? That's odd. If one had nerve/ or muscle damage, incontinence would be to everything, not just gas.
 

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You don't know that. Maybe it pertains to the level of damage. The pregnancy book referred to nerve/muscle damage secondary to pushing during labor. Many of us who have LG also do alot of straining because of incomplete evacuations and/or constipation. The other website spoke mainly about fecal incontinence although they mentioned gas incontinence a bit. They gave different causes. I haven't had a chance to read it all.Flux, I wrote this message to inform people so they could do their own research, etc. NOT so you could shoot down every possible idea, as you with everyone else. You don't even have LG, so go bother someone else.
 

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During my online search, I found a physical therapist who claims to treat people with gas incontinence related to pelvic floor problems. I'm going to email her and ask if she has seen patients with gas incontinence not related to child birth. I'm also going to ask her if she has seen any patients with what we describe as leaky gas on this website. If she writes me back, I will post her response.
 

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Good information Nelly2. I'm going to check out that website. I have always believed that gas incontinence is related to fecal incontinence. In my opinion, gas incontinence is a milder form (ie: nerves or muscles are just weak enough to let gas seep out but not actual fecal matter)Good luck with writing that physician. Please do keep us posted. I'm sure we would all be willing to write as well and give our symptoms if the doctor is interested.
 

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Thanks for that information Nelly2, I'm going to check out that site.I have always believed that gas incontinence is related to fecal incontinence (a milder form)Pleaes keep us updated on whether or not that doctor responds to your letter. I would be most interested in her findings.Good luck!!
 

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This post is not about shooting down anyone but only wondering about what is the real cause of lg. If there was nerve/muscle damage causing lg or gas to escape then why does it go on for so many hours and hours continously. Also I'm sure that all lg'ers also have the other type of gas which is a forced fart which does not leak out over many many hours. How does nerve/muscle damage then play into the fart which is quite controllable and does not leak out? The nerve/muscle damage may explain fecal incontinence which some people have and I'm sure none of lg'ers have it. It is only the lg that all lg'ers are complaining about, not fecal incontinence. To me it seems lg has more to do with some kind of maldigestion going on in our guts. Improperly digested food arrives in the colon causing the colon to react by gassing off for hrs in a slow leaky way. There is no fecal incontinence because the muscles are stong not weak but the gas leaks out because gas is lighter than the stools. Sorry to be so graphic but just trying to understand what the hell is lg. Hell, I know that it is hell. Maybe some good understanding gi doctor should do some research into this syndrome. So far none of the ones I've seen even seem to have a clue about it.
 

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Hi,everybody,I agry with you Smelly and Nelly, that it may be a nerve demage. I had some tests and in the and of them I was asked to expel balloon, It came out by itself and I didn't feel when. Also when I have LG, I don't feel it, only smell it. But in the report to my doc, was whritten that everything looks OK, only some signs of pelvic floor disfunction.Because I don't have a obstetric or surgery history. But my everyday's BM is like minichildbirth. We have to do something that will make docs believe, that we have problem and this is a REAL problem.PS.If somebody know what "Valsalva" meens tell me please.
 

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quote:You don't know that. Maybe it pertains to the level of damage
No, any damage that is going to cause incontinence will do it everything.
quote:Many of us who have LG also do alot of straining because of incomplete evacuations and/or constipation.
Well, that doesn't seem to make sense. Incomplete evacuation is practically the opposite of incontinence.
quote:I have always believed that gas incontinence is related to fecal incontinence.
They aren't related; they're the same:
quote:(ie: nerves or muscles are just weak enough to let gas seep out but not actual fecal matter)
Not possible. Solids plug holes.
quote:If there was nerve/muscle damage causing lg or gas to escape then why does it go on for so many hours and hours continously
What else would you expect? For it to follow some sort of schedule?
quote:Improperly digested food arrives in the colon causing the colon to react by gassing off for hrs in a slow leaky way
This makes no sense at all.
quote:If somebody know what "Valsalva"
Inhale deeply. Close your mouth and nose and try to exhale as you hard as you can. This is the Valsalva maneuver. Sometimes, persons who have incomplete evacuation do this indirectly when trying to defecate.
 

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LG due to a nerve problem .. interesting..I remember almost at the same time when my LG started.I have a problem with facial nerves and thankfully it was corrected with in few weeks with therapy.When i think of it there is a striking similarity.The nerve controlling the right corner of the upper lip had a problem causing it to droop a little.One of the excercises was to hold water in the mouth for a certain time,spit and repeat.I remember in the begining the water would drip(a drop or two) after couple of minutes and towards the end of the therapy i was able to hold it in for lot longer.Farfetched ,but it could be possible that something similar is wrong with the other orifice (anus).maybe the partial impairment is what causes gas but not fecal incontinence.It may be true for non ibsers too,just that we have a lot of gas and odour so its more pronounced. hmm ..food for thought...
 

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Hi Hanna-I think that even though we all have similar characteristics, we also have different ones, as well. I have LG. Sometimes I have no sensation, sometimes I have some sensation but no control. You indicated that sometimes LG goes on for a long period of time. For me it's different. I seem to have it right before and after I go to gthe bathroom. I also get it other times, but it seems to come all at once versus over a long period of time.And as for flux...guess what....I have incomplete evacuations and gas incontinence. And I'm a real live human being, so I guess it is possible.
 

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quote:I have incomplete evacuations and gas incontinence
Where's evidence of the latter?
 

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flux-If I said the world was round, you would come up with an argument against it. You argue in circles, never really having a point. You just want to disagree with someone. No one has to prove anything to you, especially regarding their own body.
 

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Well Flux, I disagree with you. I feel fecal incontinence and gas incontinence are NOT the same. I think it IS possible for a gas which is light airy material to slip out easier than a big piece of sh*t. That is why we are able to fart without pooping our pants.I think everyone is getting frustrated with your constant put downs of peoples thoughts. If you disagree thats fine but at least offer some constructive thoughts instead of just posting quotes and then disagreeing.
 

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I work out with a trainer once or twice per week. Everything we do is considered to be a "core workout" meaning that all the excercises require the entire body to work together instead of isolating body parts. However, if we run short of time, my trainer will have me do a few exercises on machines. The one machine that absolutely gives me immediate pain is one that is supposed to work the adductor muscles. I have told him that this machine really hurts me and asked why that is. He said that the adductor muscles were weak and maybe other muscles have compensated in the past. When I looked up the use of adductor muscles or problems linked with them, some of the sites online went back to incontinence. I thought that was interesting. I'd like to find out more about it and if these muscles are also related to pelvic floor disfunction. Does anyone have info about this? I will try to ask my trainer, but the whole leaky gas thing is quite embarrassing to talk about....especially with a cute muscular guy
 

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quote:I think it IS possible for a gas which is light airy material to slip out easier than a big piece of sh*t. That is why we are able to fart without pooping our pants.
False. One can do that only because there are no feces in the way at that time. Once it arrives, the hole would get plugged. That doesn't take long to occur, so if one were incontinent, it would come out, too.
 

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Hey Everybody
My Leaky gas has been pretty controlablelately.I noticed if I don't think about it, it's more unlikely to happen. Yeah, I worry from time to time but life is to short to obsessover this. When I think about it I can usually feel that weird sensation down there. I also have been exercising alot lately (4 miles a day) and think that has also released so much stress and put's my body in a relaxed state. Usually after I take a long walk it's alot better. Smelly1, I hope you keep on the Devrom!(I personally think if you stick to it you would see a big difference in about a week and if not report back to us LG who can't smell it if it works or not! If it didn't help you at all that would be proof for me that it's not working.)I also remember being a little constipated during the 1st week but then it went away. And your talking to someone who get's extremely constipated with a dose of Pepto. Can't take that stuff unless I have really bad diahreah. Also, do you think the cottonball still works or have you found out it doesn't help at all? Would like to know because that's another thing I do which will stop if it's pointless! Anyways report back soon with the Devrom!! Is anyone having success with Yucca?
 

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In my opinion LG is not a result of a weak sphincter or nerve damage - I have had plenty of medical tests that prove I am ok in that area. My theory is that there is an overproduction of methane,nitrogen,etc. in which consistently leaks out of people with "LG" which may explain the weird leaky, hot,moist sensation in the anus. Flux- Please try to answer my question without insult.... Do you have any theories on LG? (besides its a figment of our imagination) The body is a complex organism so it IS NOT impossible to have a condition such as LG. Do you think it possible that there may be an imbalance of gases in our digestive tract?
 

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quote:My theory is that there is an overproduction of methane,nitrogen,etc.
Excess gas appears to be a very rare condition. In addition, LGers are not complaining of an excess amount, but the odor. Even when displaying signficant odor, only a tiny amount of gases are actually involved. Most of the gases in passed gas (e.g, hydrogen, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen) do not have any odor, by the way.So it's reasonable to conclude that LGers do not have a problem with excess gas.
quote:Do you have any theories on LG? (besides its a figment of our imagination) The body is a complex organism so it IS NOT impossible to have a condition such as LG
The way it is being described by LGers, that they selectively have icontinence to gas and not stool is generally believed by physiologists and gastroenterologists to be physically impossible. In addition, there is no formal evidence that LGers have a unique problem with odoriferous gas. So until someone with the problem demands attention from one of the few specialists who can evaluate it, it seems that "figment of our imagination" is the best theory.
 
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