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Hi, I am new here and wanted to get your opinions on something.My symptoms:painful Gas (sewer smelling) after any dairyCramps in lower abdomenMajor fluctuation in bowel movementsNausea and gas 1-2 hours after eating even just a piece of chocolateExplosive diarrhea after some meals, especially with dairy (even with lactaid pills)Constant gurgling in my stomach, sometimes wakes me up at nightSometimes lactaid works, sometimes it doesn’tAbout once a week or so, frequent bowel movements (not diarrhea, regular bowels, but I keep going every 10 minutes or so after I get moving around again)Wake up in the middle of the night with chills, cold sweats and an overwhelming feeling of having to have a bowel movement, feel somewhat better after I can excrete. Tests done to dateRectum check (finger check) - diagnosed with IBSHIDA Scan- NegativeBarium Enema – Negative or inconclusiveUGI – Negative or inconclusiveLGI – Negative or inconclusiveI was diagnosed with IBS in 92 when I was having bloody stools.I self diagnosed LI in 95 after all my tests were negative or inconclusive. No more testing was done because I found out I was pregnant. I stopped all dairy and started again, the sick feeling came right back along with the D and cramps. No doctor has ever looked any closer. Lately I am wondering if either diagnosis is right. Do these symptoms sound like IBS or LI? Currently I don’t take any meds for either, just lactaid with meals.I appreciate any and all opinions and responses.Thanks
 

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Most of the post-eating (postprandial if you want to be scientific about it) is pretty typical of IBS.So are the frequent but normal BM's.After each meal the colon moves things along so some of the post eating stuff is that.The only thing that sounds out of the IBS realm (and that is that it is much rarer in IBSers) is the symptoms during sleep. Most commonly in IBSers the lesser activity of the colon during the night leads to a reduction of symptoms. But usually the what wakes someone up is pain rather than chills and needing to have a BM...K.
 

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melmac,I think you can be helped with the calcium carbonate taken with you meals. It helps with cramps the gurgling and diarrhea. If you email me I will send you the full list of info on it and how to take it.Linda
 

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Hi i'm new also i just found out april 27 that i have ibs and my doctor told me that my ibs is a little diff. Some times i have Diaand then i'm really really backed up, gurggling sound and pain when sleeping. So this is what he said.There is an enzine that every one has it works with dairy productsits what takes the sugar(s) from dairy and changes it to what the body can use.So common for IBS (so they say) If your body makes to much of this enzine or to little it can make a person have dia or back up AND they say (doc) that a person can do both. I'll try to find out what the enzine called.Sorry if i misspelled enzine.
 

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LNAPE -Do you think you could give me the information for the Calcium Carbonate also? I am currently taking an irritable bowel fiber (by nature's sunshine) that seems to work with bulking up my stool but I need help with the gas!!! Much appreciated.
 

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Here is the calcium information. I know it is a lot to take in but it may be will worth it to see if this simple solution can offer you the relief it has me and many others. You need to follow it as close as you can to get the best results. I know it sound too simple to work but it really does help a lot.This is what has helped me for more than 6 years with almost daily attacks of urgent diarrhea after having my Gall Bladder removed. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. All calcium is not the same. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from diarrhea.Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx is needed to purchase this.When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a daily basis thus giving a more formed BM.There is calcium carbonate which helps us with diarrhea and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones but is not as helpful in controlling diarrhea.A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with diarrhea only causing more in most cases. So, do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. Also if you are taking a multi vitamin with magnesium this may be a source of some of the problem if you are having diarrhea. Also for me vitamin A, C, and E seemed to cause me stomach upset. If you check this out your will see they too can cause diarrhea. It is better not to take a multi vitamin while trying to get the calcium to help.The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. Taking them at least 4 or 5 hours apart is also necessary so the calcium has time to go through the system and soak up excess bile and water. Sometimes, because of the long number of hours between dinner and breakfast it may be necessary to adjust your timing to taking one at bedtime with a small snack to get better results if you are a person who usually suffers from diarrhea in the mornings. I think the way it works is the dose you take prior helps with the current meal and the distress it may cause.The most success has come from using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. This information is from the many users that have sent me emails and of the posters on the web sites I have dealt with. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.You must also have some testing done to be sure you are not dealing with anything more serious. This is most important. There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the Doctor or Pharmacist to see if taking calcium will interfere with your other medications and how you might take them. I know if you take thyroid meds it is important not to take the calcium at the same time but you can take the thyroid meds one hour before you take calcium or 4 hours after taking the calcium. The calcium will soak up the thyroid medication and you will not be getting the benefit from it. You should also look at the side effects of any other meds you may be on this can contribute to the success or failure of using calcium to help to control your diarrhea. You may also consider if you are constipated and taking calcium this may be the reason for your constipation. You can most likely switch to another form of calcium to relieve this also.The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium, you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium. For most it is about 3 days and it is important to start with the lower dose so you don't have the added distress and think the calcium is not helping but making you worse.Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the diarrhea attacks without making you constipated.Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. It is safe for most of us to take 1800 mg a day as long as your body processes calcium correctly and you do not have some underlying problem. Check with your Doctor.I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of diarrhea. It is now known to me that is called Bile Salts Diarrhea. This happens to a good percent of people who have had their Gall Bladder Removed. I Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the diarrhea does not come back if I miss taking it I get diarrhea. It is a trial and error situation to find the right amount that may help you.The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During that process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and diarrhea. That burning yellowish color that you may see is the bile. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more diarrhea. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss.I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin D and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. I know Walgreens has their brand with the same ingredients and if you live in the UK Boots has been reported to have something similar. Let me know if you need more help. You won't be sorry if you try it.I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal or any combination there of. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just stop taking it until you have a BM then start back on a lower dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand from the feedback I have gotten.Let me list the ingredients:Vitamin D 200 IU (The sunshine vitamin needed to help the body absorb calcium)Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) (Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the body. It is essential for maintaining strong bones and teeth. Calcium is vital to muscle and nerve function, blood clotting and metabolism.)Magnesium 40 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have diarrhea but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) (Magnesium is essential to build bones and is needed for muscle function, energy metabolism, trans-mission of nerve impulses and to make genetic material and protein.)Zinc 7.5 MG (Zinc is necessary for some metabolic processes, normal growth and sexual development, and proper immune system functions.)Copper 1 MG (Copper promotes iron absorption and is essential to red blood cells, connective tissue, fibers and skin pigmentation.)Manganese 1.8 MG (Maganese plays an important role in metabolism and is also needed to build bones and tendons.)Boron 250 MCG. (Improves calcium and magnesium retention. Similar improvements can also be seen in Vitamin D deficient post menopausal females.)There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your diarrhea then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated then cut back on the dose. You may have to stop the calcium completely then start back after you have a BM at a lower dose.It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain diarrhea free. No cramps, bloating or diarrhea. No stomach noises, gas or pain. If I should happen to have a case of diarrhea for who knows what reason it is very short lived and not the pain involved like before and this I am sure happens to even normal people. It is usually a one shot deal and it is over.The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.Take Care,LindaLNAPENTS###netscape.net
 

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Hi Lnape- new to this board- I want to try the calcium caltrate 600- I have IBS-D. Had colonoscopy-4 endoscopies-the works- was diagnosed in Oct of '04. I don't know what triggers my diarrhea!!! I hink everything! Does the Calcium REALLY help w/diarrhea for some? Thanx
 

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Here are some post that started back in Jan 2001.http://ibsgroup.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/75410261/m/504108111 It really does work and I will be glad to help you find the right dose to help if you want me to. I have been doing this since July 1998 and it really does work. It is not a cure only a control so you must take it daily or the diarrhea will return. Be sure you have the right form of calcium and that is does not interfere with any other meds you may be on.Let me know what you think.Linda
 

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LNAPE: How does this work when you go from one extreme to the next? I don't always have D and don't always have C, but frequently have one or the other. Please advise...Thanks
 

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Hi everyone,I am new also, and I must say there is more information here, than I ever got from my doctor.I have been diagnosed as having IBS and inflammatory bowel for many, many years. I try to keep my problem under control with diet and some of the drugs mentioned here. But the worst part of it is that sometimes I will wake up in the night with very extreme D. This will go on all night with runs every 10 to 20 minutes. Until it is clear and I am exhausted.After this I take Imodium/Librax then I can controll symtems for a week or 2 or 3.Then it starts all over again.Do you have any suggestions?I think you all are so knowledgeable on this subject. I really appreciate your answers.Winnie
 

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melmac,You may have diarrhea then take something for it and then you may get constipated for a day and back and forth. Or something you eat one day may upset you and the next you may be okay. It is very hard to figure out what may be causing the problem. I know if you can get on some kind of regular schedule and try to eat at the same time or close each day you may be able to control things. Stop all over the counter meds you can and if you want to give the calcium a try it is better to just do the calcium for a while to see if it will help. Email me any time if you want.Linda
 

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1st Check any current meds even over the counter to see what the side effects are. See if it is okay to take calcium with them. Stop all over the counter stuff that you can and do not take vitamins.2nd Be sure you have the right form of calcium. Calcium carbonate with vitamin D for starters. Or you can use the calcium carbonate with Vitamin D and other minerals.3rd Take them with food at least 4 or 5 hours apart.4th If your worse time is in the morning instead of taking the one with dinner take it at bedtime with a small snack.Be sure to start with 1/2 tablet at each of your 3 daily meals for the first 3 days to adjust.LindaLinda (D-Type)If I don't take my calcium. Gall Bladder removed in 1976 and suffered with urgent diarrhea until I started calcium.lnapents###netscape.net
 
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