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HiI haven't read here on the board that the ones that have tried LEAP and followed the directions have failed...Quite the opposite ! If you follow your specific dietary changes and following other instructions I can say for me that my symptoms have improved ALOT...Go and look in the diet/nutrition forum about all the success stories...LEAP is not for everyone so you have to have a pre-screening form filled out first to even see if you are a canadiate...
 

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They wouldn't help me. Told me I have a parasite or bacterial infection. Because it started like it is now after a trip to Aruba and has been hell on earth since. But thinking back now I am not sure thats really when it started. I couldn't drink alchol for about a year before that. And would have occasional bouts of D. About every other month or so. Then preceding my sedding (may) I had D on several of the weekends.. but its so hard to be sure. I only know when it started really bad. Which was May. The doctor says its not a parasite either. Only had one test for that. but my syptoms did get 90% better for about 2 months so I don't know
No one will help me
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Hi Sarah: ______________________________________"They wouldn't help me" ______________________________________This is a bit, uh, untrue...you suggest that the caregivers involved could have helped you but refused to help you. It would be better to say that they felt they COULD not.The key to any successful disease management program is patient selection. That is, after using this protocol for several years clinically, and understanding the phsyiology of certain IBS mechanisms, there is a specific population of so called "IBS" victims who will benefit from this integrative therapeutic approach to symptom reduction. This population represents, from best estimates of the literature, the 2/3 of the "IBS Population" who have been diagnosed with IBS which has a diarrheic component via proper differential diagnosis.The person admitted to the HomeCare Program must demonstrate a history and symptom set which meets specific guidelines set down by the physicians and dieticians who developed the program. If the person meets these guidelines it means that there is a high probability that they will benefit from the protocol if they follow the protocol. If they do not fit this profile then the probability of benefit is low and there is no ethical basis for steering a person to invest in the protocol if the probability of success is compromised, either by the fact they do not fit the symptom and history profile, or the discussions with the person indicate that differential diagnosis has not been completed, or the person may have the correct history, physical symptomology, and differential diagnosis BUT is not behaviorally predisposed to follow the program...appears not self-directed enough to do that which will be required for success.I am not familiar with your particular situation nor would it be ethical to discuss it in public without your permission...but the Homecare staff does not withold therapy from people whom they feel thay can help.There may be private physicians out there who use the LEAP protocols in their practices who follow their own set of selection criteria as they may see fit (less or more strict), which is any physicians prerogative.Also, to clarify and perhaps help: _______________________________________"Told me I have a parasite or bacterial infection. Because it started like it is now after a trip to Aruba and has been hell on earth since. But thinking back now I am not sure thats really when it started. I couldn't drink alchol for about a year before that. And would have occasional bouts of D. About every other month or so. Then preceding my sedding (may) I had D on several of the weekends.. but its so hard to be sure. I only know when it started really bad. Which was May. The doctor says its not a parasite either. Only had one test for that. but my syptoms did get 90% better for about 2 months so I don't know No one will help me " _____________________________________If a person reports the onset of symptoms following a trip to a foregin land, and has had a battery of tests which do not include SERIAL stool cultures for pathogens (including parasites) and the symptoms are diarrheic predominant it would be inappropriate to accept that person into a program without first recommending that they see to it that infectious disease has been ruled out. I do not think any physician would disagree with the correctness of this stipulation. I doubt that the dietician diagnosed you, I suspect rather she did suggest this would be a possibility that should be ruled out first.If a serial stool culture series is not done it is possible to have a parasitic infection and miss it (in one stool culture). Also the fact that your symptoms are cyclic is also interesting, and suggests several possibilities, and the added history also is suggestive, but it is not anyones place but your phyisician to comment further.If you feel that no one will help you I think thst htis is becasue you may have exhausted the abilities of the physicians you currently see.If you have had a complete workup and differential diagnosis by a board certified GI doc, then I would suggest the next stop would be an infectious disease specialist to be sure. If it was not a GI doc who worked you up, then that would be then next stop, I think.But please do not have or convey the impression that nobody in my organization will help you...on the contrary unlike some organizations we will not take peoples money solely on the basis that it is "possible" therefore "worth a shot". It is the selection process that has helped the outcomes realized be consitently positive...if the properly selected person follows the protocol and the dieticians/physician instructions to the letter, this si the important part...as no medication will work properly if you take only 1/2 the prescribed dose for 1/2 the time...no lifestyle modification program is any better than patient compliance...but if it is followed to the leetter it is nigh impossible to not experience improvement since it is based upon a tangible physical event with known consequences being avoided.I do hope that you do not quit, as I belive there is someone to help you...sometimes th path is longer than we would like. Took me 30 years to find the right help.
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I have to say though I think it is great that LEAP will honestly tell people that they don't think they will benefit from their program. Otherwise they may spend the money on it and be seriously dissapointed.I have often wondered though in many cases if Bacteria and parasites are always the case in some of the people who have travelled outside the US. Arrrgh, as you have said you kind of had symptoms of it before, but much less frequently. That was me too. Then when my life was really stressful that is when it came on full blast. Many people say they got it on their honeymoon outside the US or while vacationing. Parasites and bacteria would definitely make sense. Maybe though, in a few cases it is from the full blown stress. From what I hear, planning a wedding is extremely stressful (I haven't started on mine yet) and I could see how people are dealing with stress and anxiety up until that day as you are worried that something is going to go horribly wrong...etc. I heard that going on vacation is actually extremely stressful as well. Keep in mind, even good events can be stressful. Being excited about something can have similar stress responses. There is a lot of packing and planning. A lot to do as many want to go and see as much as they can. This often means going to bed late and waking up early as well.I am not discounting that people in these particular situations have parasites or bacteria. I am just saying that perhaps if those treatments fail and they feel maybe they saw a glimpse of IBS in the past on a rare occasion, that perhaps the stress of everything brought it out. Just a thought. Who really knows.
 

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Hi Arrrgh and I-H8,
quote:Maybe though, in a few cases it is from the full blown stress.
This is absolutely a good point. And, worth pointing out that often celiac disease (gluten intolerance) can be latent until triggered by stress. So, we (LEAP) also suggest that if your symptoms are such, your docs also rule out celiac disease (in addition to parasitic infections) before LEAP testing, as it is much more common than most docs/people know.Further, sometimes parasitic infections, though resolved, can trigger food sensitivities. It appears the infection increases gut permiability (as does antibiotic therapy in some) and thus starts the beginning of food sensitivity.And, as Mike said, I don't think we refuse testing to many people, but we don't recommend testing unless other problems (such as celiac disease and infections) are ruled out.So, if you really DO think food sensitivities are a problem, give us a call back. We'd be happy to talk and test you if appropriate.
 

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Mike-I can understand your concern about me saying they would not help me. But that is how I feel. I guess it is COULD not, but it feels like WOULD not when you are ready to just give up. The phone consoltation it was stated to me, "you have a parasite or bacteria infection." I have no idea if I do or not. No one seems to know anything really. It's all a bunch of guessing it seems like sometimes. I was tested for parasites, as I said, and it did not come up positive. I know I need to be tested again, and after my Gallbladder sonogram this weekend, I will be insisting on another stool test. You stated it was interesting that I got better for a while, though now I am back to square one. But declined to comment on that. I undertand you are no doctor, but if you have an idea I could pursue, I would love to hear it!I did not mean to make it sound like LEAP is a bad program or anything of that nature. However, I do feel it is a little strange to call the program successful in helping IBS when obviously if that was true it would help everyone with IBS. Really what LEAP seems to do is help people with food sensitivities that have been incorrectly diagnosed as IBS. I understand you screening people, so as not to waste their time, energy and money. But it does seem like LEAP is succesfull only because it picks and chooses those to administer the program to. Obviously it would be usless to try it if you know it is not going to work, but what exactly is the criteria they base this on? If I have a parasite or some infection why did it get better for a while then get bad again, why does it swing from D to C symptoms, why do I have no answers. Its all just very frustrating. I read nothing but good things about LEAP from the people that are admited into the program, but obviously I would as we know that LEAP already knows it will help them before allowing them in. Poor choice of words, I know, but can't think of any other way to say it right now, as I feel like #### and can't seem to think today.
I am sure it helps lots of people and those people are increadibly greatful. I guess I just wish I was one. I hate having no answers and my life in ruins at the age of only 24. It is indeed a long road....Sara
 

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Hang in there Sara
and dont give up because It only took me 40 years to find something that worked for me...of course I didnt have any information that was available like we do today. Keep reading and learning and asking all the questions you can think of...You will find the answers but dont think you will be sick all your life because you will find relief.....
 

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Hi Arrgh, I do indeed understand your frustration. I was told that I was a candidate for LEAP. I have not yet consulted with them, because of course my car just died, the washing machine went ugggh. Just when you think you can save a few bucks! Anyway me LEAPing is temporarily put on hold, but there are foods I know I am intolerent to, through an elimination diet (LEAP will help uncover food additives and stuff for me eventually).Anyway, you had asked how they know that you will be a candidate. With Food Intolerences, there are usually other things people experience along with the IBS. For me it was chronic fatigue, irritated eyes, long history of acne, sinus congestion, chronic ear infections as a child, almost daily swollen glands and dull sore throat and headaches.Hah, I know, I sound like a walking disaster. Funny thing is these things went completely unnoticed by me. I dealt with them all the time so it felt "normal", but I felt about 30 years older than I am (I am 27). Typically (and I am no expert) I think many people with IBS due to food intolerence suffer from other things as well. I'm not saying that this is the case with everyone, but notice that some have a plethra of ailments....chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, GERD...and others. For some, these things are triggered by dietary factors. Those are the ones that may be affected by food intolerences. Hang in there. Did you fill out the questionalre on the LEAP website? They evaluate that and decide if you are a candidate. Not sure if you did that already or not.Either way, we can all relate to the frustration of not knowing, which we all had at one point. I know the feelings of "I am only 26 and now I have a life sentence with this!!!!" I suffered a year and a half and many times I hoped I would die. It was extremely tough. The best thing is to be your own guniea pig..so to speak. I have tried so many things, if you could only see my kitchen cabinet. It's like "Kari's Apothocary". I know you said you were checked for Parasites, what about Bacteria or yeast overgrowth? Hang in there. I know it is a tough road. Just know that you will find something that works for you. I am hopeful that you will.
KariBelow is some info: http://www.stonyfield.com/HealthyPeople/Fo...itivities.shtml A Delayed Allergic Reaction or Food Sensitivity [B/}Food allergy reactions can be delayed, appearing days or even weeks after the food was consumed. Symptoms can be subtle and chronic. Many diseases may be involved such as: asthma, attention deficit disorder, rheumatoid arthritis, eczema, psoriasis, irritable bowel syndrome, ulcerative colitis, Crohn�s disease, Celiac disease, migraine headaches, chronic ear infections, colic, yeast infections, canker sores and chronic sinus infections and congestion. One theory as to why food sensitivities develop is related to a �leaky gut.� This is a condition where the intestinal lining allows partially digested foods to enter the bloodstream. Once in the bloodstream, the body recognizes these foods as foreign proteins and develops antibodies specific to the allergens. A leaky gut is believed to occur when the body experiences stress, exposure to infectious agents--viral, bacterial and protozoan (resulting from decreased beneficial bacteria in the intestine), chronic alcohol use, malnutrition (which can be associated with fasting and crash dieting), chronic use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medication (like ibuprofen with arthritics), and other cytotoxic drug use that can affect the liver. When you have a delayed reaction to a food it can be difficult to determine what foods you are sensitive or allergic to. Blood tests and skin testing are not considered that reliable. It may be that the blood tests are not sensitive enough to pick up accurate levels of IgG that is associated with delayed allergic reactions. Skin tests may give false positives or false negatives depending on whether or not the symptoms are skin-related. In other words, if the symptoms are headaches or intestinal bloating, a skin test may not pick it up as an allergic reaction. If someone is highly allergic with skin reactions, it�s possible that the skin testing may show some reactions that aren�t actually there. The best way to determine which foods are responsible for allergies is by eliminating suspected foods and then �challenging� individual foods and see if there is a reaction. This is actually considered the �gold standard� in the scientific literature. But it does require a motivated and conscientious person to do it. Guidance from a health practitioner is recommended to help guide the process and perhaps make sense of the record keeping. Sometimes it takes an experienced eye to identify when there is a pattern of reaction.
 

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Hi Sara!I have alot of firsthand experience with LEAP and have found that its been so helpful to so many people precisely because we properly select the patients. Our criteria are borne from years of working with food sensitive patients and understanding certain signs, symptoms, and trends that increase the probability of it being an appropriate treatment. And yes, I've often thought myself that IBS is often misdiagnosed food sensitivity. But that tends to be D- or cyclic type IBS. C-types usually do not have food sensitivity at the root of their problem. A thorough read of the IBS literature definitely points to multiple etiologies for the different manifestations of what is termed IBS. And it is getting clearer that what today is called IBS will in the future be called something specific to the respective cause of the digestive complaint. Even when a patient has a D component, it is still prudent to do as the LEAP dietitian suggested and rule out gut pathogens first. Maybe your physician only did a single test instead of serial tests as MikeNL suggested? Anyhow, is it possible she said "rule this out first" instead of "we will not help you"? Its possible that LEAP may still be for you. Especially if the problem persists frequently, and all other properly administered diagnostic tests come up negative, and there is no disbiosis. Maybe you should fill in another prescreening form and talk with Jan?Best wishes and you have alot of symptom free life left ahead so don't give up!Ethan DeMitchellDirector, Customer Support
 

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Well.....seems that got off topic. I have been reading all of the testomony on LEAP's success. I have tried a few exclusion diets and was on a strict candida diet for two months. I have been down to eating just vegetable and white rice for months. I still had symptoms. I was wondering how a special " LEAP " diet could be any more reduced or eliminate anything else? Though I do feel perfectly fine if I fast. So I guess there is SOMETHING related to food. Could there still be triggers in vegetables..rice, do you understand what my concern is? 1,000 is alot of money for me and I don't want it to be like my naturalpath experience, which was noticable reduction, but not worth it. thank you for your reply.
 

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Hi Morow,What kind of vegetables? I ask because it makes a difference, and it can help whomever answers you, do so more specifically.I am no expert, but I have seen on the LEAP section that people can react to all different things, things you wouldn't expect ...but common ones are corn and tomatoes...and other veggies you may have eaten on a regular basis as eating the same thing and not rotating your diet can lead to intolerences as well. Notice that the common allergens for people are things like soy, wheat, corn and dairy. Try to find a processed food without those ingredients in them. We eat high quantities of this stuff, it is no wonder some of us become intolerent. MikeNL, Jan, or Ethan will actually be able to answer your question. Me...I think I just started rambling
 

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SARAHi. Ahh…I am finally home again and able to sit in my own chair and talk at leisure…lets takea peek at some further discussion maybe we can help somewhere…. _____________________________________________"However, I do feel it is a little strange to call the program successful in helping IBS when obviously if that was true it would help everyone with IBS." _______________________________________________First, all Disease Management Programs, according to standards set by the Disease Management Association fo America a few years ago as well as most insurance companies and self-funded employee health programs, all of which pay for DM under certain conditions, recognize the reality of managing ANY disease, that the first thing one must be able to establish is which portion of the intended patient population is able to receive benefits from the programs protocols. This applies to everything from Diabetes Programs and Wound Care programs to various protocols for controlling arterisclerotic heart disease and/or hypertension.Since "IBS" is NOT a single "functional disease", or even a set of varying symptoms with a common pathogenisis as many recent discoveries have now proven, but rather it is characterezied by a number of subpopulations (the total of which as of yet is unclear) who suffere the same or similar or different primary "morbidities" and secondary CO-morbidities.The realities that have emerged from many many years and many thousands of subjects treated by immunologists and allergists who have recognized that many clinical symptoms, including many of those that are observed and diagnosed symptomatically as "Irritable Bowel Syndrome" can be and are "provoked" by dietary components. The symptom generating mechanisms can sometimes be actual food allergy, but much more often is NOT actual food allergy, rather one or more of many mechanisms whereby immunocytes can be provoked to release mediators at the wrong time. The 'IBS SUBpopulatuion" wherein this can be commonly seen and then used to reduce or eliminate the patients symptoms, is the 2/3 who are properly diagnosed and who have a diarrheic component.Then there is a population commonly diagnosed as "IBS" where this is not commonly seen…the so called c-types.So this is in general; the first selection criteria that must be applied. IF one of your protocols is a dietary therapy program specific to the patients foods and chemicals in food which provokes an abnormal immunocyte response of mediator release, or a comorbidity as well of one of the other forms of food "sensitivity", then you must have a means of isolating those people as they are the ones who can benefit.Just like chemotherapy is very useful in cancer, there are some cancers where specific combinations must be used which are not useful in other types of cancer…and there are some forms where it is not indicated.I this case, since about 2/3 of the "apparent IBS" population will (having had active pathogens and such things as Crohns ruled out by differential diagnosis) respond very positively to a patient specific dietary regimen comstructed to that person it is appropriate to consider the entire protocol as an effective Disease Management Program for IBS patients of that category.Also, since another element of the protocol is a specific dietary regiment designed to isolate fod and chemical intolerances which are NOT cell mediated and which either cannot be detetcted by ANY in vitro assay (pseudoallergy to foods or chemicals, which occurs on a cell-secific basis inside the gut or one or more other mechanisms which are not easily assayed by any in vitro assay) it is imperative that the patient show a high level of commitment to the informed-consenmt of lifestyle modification. If the patient gives consent in a fully informed manner and demonstrates clear commitment to change, then this increases the probability of success.Ever hear of a doctor firing a patient? There are many instances wherein physicians have a treatment plan for a patient but the patient refuses to follow (adhere to) the treatment plan. So the doctor does a "Pontius-Pilate" roitione with the patient as he can assume no responsibility fo the outcomes on a patient who will not follow instructions. So you must also be able to assess this with some degree of confidence BEFORE taking the patient into a program so as to minimize the need to "fire people" later….if you CAN do this then you SHOULD ethically. If you cannot then the protocl becomes the screening instrument…but this raises the costs when it happens.Also, since another element of the protocol is a patient-self-directed stress reducton protocol (www.ibstherapy.com shows the program we recommend including), we should also assess again the patients willingness to be self-directed enough to actually use that protocol as well…integrative therapy produces the best overall outcomes. __________________________________________" Really what LEAP seems to do is help people with food sensitivities that have been incorrectly diagnosed as IBS." __________________________________________Actually, there is no such thing, if you use the "generally accepted mainstream protocol". Since the present establishment claims you cannot find anything with STANDARD lab tests the condition should be diagnosed based on Symptoms. Well, it is impossible to differentiate clinically the patient who has D-type IBS, for example, when she presents to the physician, from one who has lost oral tolerance to some foods or chemicals and is thus having symptoms of IBS. They are one and the same.Now the ultimate pathogenesis may end up being different from one to another (ie: dysbiosis, toxin overload and enzymatic insufficiency, persistent post=-inflammatory immunocyte activation, whatever) but the symptom generating mechanism of mediator release being provoked by a combination which can vary from direct-provocation by food components first and secondary amplification by stress response, or vice versa, stress activation of the inflammatory response first then resultant loss of oral tolerance, makes little difference in the clinical management of the patient. BOTH must have an integrated program of dietary modification and stress reduction. The more patient specific the dietary therapy can be made the better. This is the most unique aspect of LEAP…that it does base the diatry therapy in part on a proriatary method iof isolating the foods to which the victim has lost oral tolerance. This cuts down on experimentation and makes it easier for the patient to follow…thus improving the outcomes. The ancient thought process of "IBS" and "food intolerances" being mutually exclusive is simply wrong. They go hand in hand in that 2/3 of the population which suffers from a diarrheic component. This was first recognized in European clinics nearly 15 years ago. In fact, in some circles, patients who are worked us as we would in the USA and then diagnosed as "IBS" are not even labeled as IBS…rather they are viewed as patients with non allergic food sensitivities and then treated accordingly with dietary therapy. Immunomodulation has been tried several times with short term success…but so far tachyphylaxis has been a problem with the limited drugs available. ___________________________________________" I understand you screening people, so as not to waste their time, energy and money. But it does seem like LEAP is succesfull only because it picks and chooses those to administer the program to." _____________________________________________That is what disease management is SUPPOSED to do….isolate those who can benefit from those who cannot. Those who can, do it, those who cannot, recommend an alternative course for the patient to pursues, either to be able to better determine ability to benefit OR to direct them to an alternative source of possible help if you are aware of one. It would be asy to use the program as the screening tool, and increase the programs income while doing so. However this would be less than ethical IF there is a way to isolate those with a high probability from low. This was developed during the technology and protocol development cycle from 1997-2000 in (2) clinics where the doctors and dieticians did NOTHING but work with people with these symptoms to develop the protocols and the methods of determining ability to benefit _____________________________________________ "If I have a parasite or some infection why did it get better for a while then get bad again, why does it swing from D to C symptoms, why do I have no answers. Its all just very frustrating." ________________________________________Believe me I DO understand the frusration, having lived it from the age of about 10 to the age of 40+. One suggestion is the infectious disease consult since it is not difficult to miss certain types of unwleocme guests in the gut if only single-event stool cultures are done. Soemtimesa serial culture (say, 3 over 3 days) is used…and then repeated during an exacerbation (flareup) of symptoms for comparison…and the culprit is revealed.On the other hand, if this is ruled out and indeed the gastroscopy returns a nothing abnormal, there are certain types of food or chemical hypersenstivities which (due to their dose-dependent nature) can be cyclic. For example, I had lost tolerance to wheat but this only appeared clinically as cyclic episodes about 2 weeks apart. One characteristic of lost oral tolerance is that whatever the causal basis (which may remain hidden even though the reactions themselves can be observed) one is subject to further loss of oral tolerance if one overconsumes "safe" substances…hence the element of rotation must be incorporated into the patient permanenent eating plan after all the sensitivities have been isolated.Also, dysbiosis in its myriad forms is probably one of the more common causal bases for loss of oral tolerance ("so called food intolerance"…general terms).MOROW _______________________________________________________"I have been down to eating just vegetable and white rice for months. I still had symptoms. I was wondering how a special " LEAP " diet could be any more reduced or eliminate anything else? " _________________________________________________________If you have been worked up with a proper differential diagnosis and all came back negative and you were assigned the IBS label, and among your symptoms are pain and diarrheic episodes (you probably have other systemic symptoms as well) it is known that ANY food, even rice though that is rare in our culture, can be a food to which one has lost oral tolerance.Indeed if you keep eating the same foods over and over again, if you once tolerated them you soon will not. It is a ery common experience for a person to look at their MRT test results and their dietary intake log and exclaim "Oh my I am eating that all the time."You could be suffering from food or chemical provoked mediator release from circulating immunocytes, focused in the small bowel, or you could have an actual food allergy (less likely) or you could be suffering pseudoallergy (flase allergy) to some veggie….due to a chemical in the veggie).The LEAP protocol includes proprietary in vitro assays (150 of them actually for different foods and chemicals) to isolate the cell mediated reactions (circulating immunocytes of all types which could be inappropriately releasing mediators) and a phased dietary stage which also uses proven methods of isolating allergy and pseudoallergy which may be comorbid. If you are symptomatic on the diet you are on the probability that you are experiencing one or more of these reactions to one or more of the foods you are eating or the chemicals is in the foods is high if among your symptoms are episodes of diarrhea and related symptoms. ________________________________________________"Though I do feel perfectly fine if I fast." ___________________________________________________Temporary solution which can result in a permanent problem: starvation.
_______________________________________________________" So I guess there is SOMETHING related to food. Could there still be triggers in vegetables..rice, do you understand what my concern is? 1,000 is alot of money for me and I don't want it to be like my naturalpath experience, which was noticable reduction, but not worth it. " __________________________________________________________Then before you do anything FIRST make a small investment in these books on which I receive no commission
but which have material in them which will be helpful to you. You may be able to isolate the offending foods using a very specific and carefully constructed dietary and symptom monitoring method BUT if you use the methods taught by 90% of the practitiners out there you will get no answers as these methods are based upon the characteristics of food ALLERGY….so they miss non allergic food reactions by not taking into account the added complexity of dose dependency, delayed onset, and even combinant reactivity…the whole reason the immunologists which developed MRT developed it…to get around these road blocks.But since your is already narrow, the stuff suggested by Guillory, and the background info from Brostoff which explains the phenomena, may be all you need.IBS: A DOCTORS PLAN FOR CHRONIC DIGESTIVE TROUBLESBy Gerard Guillory, M.D.; Vanessa Ameen, M.D.; Paul Donovan, M.D.; Jack Martin, Ph.D. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-h...9085785-1742301 "FOOD ALLERGIES AND FOOD INTOLERANCE: THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO THEIR IDENTIFICTION AND TREATMENT", Professor Jonathan Brostoff , M.D.. Allergy, Immunology and Environmental Medicine, Kings' College, London http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/089...6487508-3420903 Uh oh look at the time how it does fly!Gotta go....
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Mike- as we are getting somewhat off the oringinal post, I posted a response to your last response to me, in a new topic...As for this topic:I agree it sounds very helpful to others and that I have not heard of anyone having it fail them.Sarah
 
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