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Hello AllI'm new to the BB. I've been reading alot of the posts for the past few days. I've resently been diagnosed with IBS-D. I first noticed a problem a few years ago(1995 ish), but it has worsened in the past 2 yrs. I had my gall bladder out in 1994. Maybe that's when it started? I want to know how do you find the trigger? And how do you stay off it? I love food. It seems every thing gives me trouble. Does excerise help anyone?In all the posts no one has mentioned Colestid, which is what my doc perscribed to me. That worked for a week or so but not if I eat out. How do people eat out? If I think I have to go somewhere I don't eat. But starving can cause symptoms for me as well.Has anyone taken enzymes which help digest certain types of foods? I'm trying some for the 2nd day. It might help but I won't know until I have to leave the house. That's when it's the worst. This brings me to tears. My 2 year old always asks me if I have a tummy ache. That gives me a heart ache.Thanks for listening and hopefully answering
 

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HI HALT-IN-PLACE!You are pretty sharp to put 2+2 together like that...gall bladder out, maldigestion in. It is amazing how many people I meet walking around without a gallbladder and having digestive troubles and pains and such who did not receive proper dietary counselling. And how many have been told, or assume, they have "IBS". And when you look at a 5 day dietary intake log and run a nutritional analysis on it how much fat is in thier diets. AND then how many get so much better when they take into account they don't get a big shot of fat emulsifying goop when they eat like they used to since the reservoir is missing. So to take that into acount you have to eat a low fat diet, and smaller portions more frequently eaten allows for better fat emulsification and less distress.Also in Europe there has been a popular OTC supplement for the high-fat diet of the Slavic countries that can grind the insides of even people with a football sized gall bladder. They sell about 40,000,000 of them a year and people swallow them like e swallow pepto bismol or rolaids.You can also try this stuff as it is available here in the USA now. You take it with your meals and it can help with emulsifying the fat in the food so it can be more easily digested. Its especially useful I have seen for "choly's" like yourself who are very careful what they eat at home but then once in a while go to a reataurant and anticipate hogging down the prime rib and baked potatoes with 2-3 pounds of butter each etc. So they swallow 2-4 of these beuaties and get by much better with their cheating.Check your healthfood store first and see of they have DIGEST-RC. If not some doctors and dieticians sell the same OTC suppelemtn under the name RAFANI PLUS (same pills 2 different brands...one for the store one for the professional side). if not you can check our website for RAFANI and Patient Services will hook you up with the direct-sales agent for RAFANI Plus (we stocked it for awhile but its not really our thing being laboratory....but link our patients up with the lady who does it now as it is her thing). If you get some and try it and it does not help its got a money back guarantee on it.Also get any cookbook on lo-fat diets so you have some recipes.IF you are on a low fat diet for a month and the symptoms do not subside, then it is time to look further into the diet. But I will bet you have a better than even chance that this is the bulk of what you will need.Eat well. Think well. be well.MNL_______________ www.leapallergy.com PS:Question...is THIS where the legendary buck stops?[This message has been edited by Mike NoLomotil (edited 09-03-2001).]
 

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HI HALT-IN-PLACE!You are pretty sharp to put 2+2 together like that...gall bladder out, maldigestion in. It is amazing how many people I meet walking around without a gallbladder and having digestive troubles and pains and such who did not receive proper dietary counselling. And how many have been told, or assume, they have "IBS". And when you look at a 5 day dietary intake log and run a nutritional analysis on it how much fat is in thier diets. AND then how many get so much better when they take into account they don't get a big shot of fat emulsifying goop when they eat like they used to since the reservoir is missing. So to take that into acount you have to eat a low fat diet, and smaller portions more frequently eaten allows for better fat emulsification and less distress.Also in Europe there has been a popular OTC supplement for the high-fat diet of the Slavic countries that can grind the insides of even people with a football sized gall bladder. They sell about 40,000,000 of them a year and people swallow them like e swallow pepto bismol or rolaids.You can also try this stuff as it is available here in the USA now. You take it with your meals and it can help with emulsifying the fat in the food so it can be more easily digested. Its especially useful I have seen for "choly's" like yourself who are very careful what they eat at home but then once in a while go to a reataurant and anticipate hogging down the prime rib and baked potatoes with 2-3 pounds of butter each etc. So they swallow 2-4 of these beuaties and get by much better with their cheating.Check your healthfood store first and see of they have DIGEST-RC. If not some doctors and dieticians sell the same OTC suppelemtn under the name RAFANI PLUS (same pills 2 different brands...one for the store one for the professional side). if not you can check our website for RAFANI and Patient Services will hook you up with the direct-sales agent for RAFANI Plus (we stocked it for awhile but its not really our thing being laboratory....but link our patients up with the lady who does it now as it is her thing). If you get some and try it and it does not help its got a money back guarantee on it.Also get any cookbook on lo-fat diets so you have some recipes.IF you are on a low fat diet for a month and the symptoms do not subside, then it is time to look further into the diet. But I will bet you have a better than even chance that this is the bulk of what you will need.Eat well. Think well. be well.MNL_______________ www.leapallergy.com PS:Question...is THIS where the legendary buck stops?[This message has been edited by Mike NoLomotil (edited 09-03-2001).]
 

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A lot of people are on Questran which is a powder rather than Colstid which is a pill, but the do alot of the same things.One problem with eating out is that resterant food has1) more fat in it that what you may be eating at home2) bigger portions than what you may be eating at home.3) often is different food than you eat at home.Look for low-fat (often called heart healthy)options on the menu, esp if you are missing a gall bladder.Digestive enzymes may help with post-eating bloating by some as yet undetermined mechanism. K.------------------I am a scientific researcher primarily in the area of the environment and the impact of environmental factors on human health, I have no ties to the pharmaceutical industry. I have no financial, academic, or any other stake in any commercial, natural, or any other product mentioned by me.My story and what worked for me in greatly easing my IBS: http://www.ibsgroup.org/ubb/Forum17/HTML/000015.html
 

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A lot of people are on Questran which is a powder rather than Colstid which is a pill, but the do alot of the same things.One problem with eating out is that resterant food has1) more fat in it that what you may be eating at home2) bigger portions than what you may be eating at home.3) often is different food than you eat at home.Look for low-fat (often called heart healthy)options on the menu, esp if you are missing a gall bladder.Digestive enzymes may help with post-eating bloating by some as yet undetermined mechanism. K.------------------I am a scientific researcher primarily in the area of the environment and the impact of environmental factors on human health, I have no ties to the pharmaceutical industry. I have no financial, academic, or any other stake in any commercial, natural, or any other product mentioned by me.My story and what worked for me in greatly easing my IBS: http://www.ibsgroup.org/ubb/Forum17/HTML/000015.html
 

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Since you have had your gall bladder removed maybe this is the answer for you as it was for me.This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily attacks of urgent DIARRHEA. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEACalcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx needed to purchase this.When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a regular basis thus giving a more formed BM.There is calcium carbonate which helps us with DIARRHEA and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones.A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with DIARRHEA only causing more in most cases. So do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse.The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly.The most success has come for using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the pharmacist to see it taking calcium will interfere with you other medications and how you might take them.The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium.Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the DIARRHEA attacks without making you constipated. Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much.I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of DIARRHEA. Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found.I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the DIARRHEA does not come back if I miss taking it I get DIARRHEA.The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During the process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and DIARRHEA. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more DIARRHEA. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss. I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin d and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99.Let me know if you need more help.You won't be sorry if you try it. I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose.It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand. Let me list the ingredients:Vitamin D 200 IUCalcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form)Magnesium 40 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have DIARRHEA but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect)Zinc 7.5 MGCopper 1 MGManganese 1.8 MGBoron 250 MCG.There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your DIARRHEA then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated the cut back on the dose. It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain DIARRHEA free. No cramps, bloating or DIARRHEA.The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.It is worth a try and I have been getting some good feedback from Lotronex users who are getting some help with the calcium. You may want to read some of the post on www.ibsgroup.org message board about how much it has helped so many.Take Care,Linda
 

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Since you have had your gall bladder removed maybe this is the answer for you as it was for me.This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily attacks of urgent DIARRHEA. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEACalcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx needed to purchase this.When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a regular basis thus giving a more formed BM.There is calcium carbonate which helps us with DIARRHEA and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones.A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with DIARRHEA only causing more in most cases. So do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse.The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly.The most success has come for using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the pharmacist to see it taking calcium will interfere with you other medications and how you might take them.The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium.Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the DIARRHEA attacks without making you constipated. Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much.I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of DIARRHEA. Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found.I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the DIARRHEA does not come back if I miss taking it I get DIARRHEA.The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During the process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and DIARRHEA. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more DIARRHEA. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss. I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin d and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99.Let me know if you need more help.You won't be sorry if you try it. I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose.It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand. Let me list the ingredients:Vitamin D 200 IUCalcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form)Magnesium 40 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have DIARRHEA but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect)Zinc 7.5 MGCopper 1 MGManganese 1.8 MGBoron 250 MCG.There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your DIARRHEA then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated the cut back on the dose. It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain DIARRHEA free. No cramps, bloating or DIARRHEA.The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.It is worth a try and I have been getting some good feedback from Lotronex users who are getting some help with the calcium. You may want to read some of the post on www.ibsgroup.org message board about how much it has helped so many.Take Care,Linda
 

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Again thank you for responding. I want all the info I can get so when one thing does or doesn't work I know where to go next. And it seems it will be some carefully balanced plan between many options.Thank you
 

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Again thank you for responding. I want all the info I can get so when one thing does or doesn't work I know where to go next. And it seems it will be some carefully balanced plan between many options.Thank you
 
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