My, my Eric you really are confused, aren't you? There's no bias. The "Conclusion" you quoted above is simply the very basic summary from the study's Abstract. What I quoted is from the "Discussion" section of the complete article, which contains a much more detailed, in-depth and therefore more accurate explanation of the study's findings. There's no disagreement between the two. What I posted is simply more accurate. They say it all when they state:quote:Eric wrote:Because you have to be able to read the article carefully for one and not cherry pick what a person wants to hear or believe.becausethe conclusion was"CONCLUSION: There are intestinal flora disorders in IBS patients, which may be involved in triggering the IBS-like symptoms. IBS patients experience significant impairment in QoL, however, the impairment is not caused directly by enteric symptoms."I find it odd this is always left out when this abstarct is posted? Thats bias.
That says everything - They are stating that dysbacteriosis may be an effect of the IBS, OR it may actually be the "just cause" of the IBS - they just can't say for sure one way or the other. I don't see anywhere here where it says what you believe though, that dysbacteriosis DOES NOT cause IBS. Please show me where it clearly says that dysbacteriosis does not cause IBS, where they have unequivocally ruled it out - I just don't see it.The quality of life part in your quote above is also just a basic summary from the study's abstract. Here's a more complete discussion from the full article:quote:"Further studies are still needed. However, there was dysbacteriosis in IBS patients. Whether it is the effect or just cause of IBS remains unclear."
You get the basic idea. But don't despair, Eric, because in the "Inflammation, Infection, and Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS): An Update" article which you posted earlier, there was a study described where IBS patients were given a Bifidobacterium probiotic which significantly improved many of their IBS symptoms, and - "The symptomatic response with Bifidobacterium was associated with parallel improvement in quality of life as assessed by using an IBS-specific instrument. A follow-up 4 weeks after discontinuation of the treatment (washout period) showed that both symptoms and quality of life returned to baseline."So, this shows that as the gut flora is improved with probiotics, the quality of life can go up too, probably in an indirect way, I'd think. As the patient feels better with less pain, the quality of life factors naturally improve due to the more positive mental state.ref.("A Role For Probiotics" section):Inflammation, Infection, and Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS): An Updatequote:In our study, we also found that IBS patients had significantly lower scores on all SF-36 scales with the exception of physical functioning, when compared with the age and sex-matched control group. Decrements in QoL were most pronounced in general health, role physical and vitality. However, there was no significant correlation between QoL and enteric symptoms, which might be due to the frequent presence of anxiety, depression, fatigue and anorexia in IBS patients.
I believe that means that the overall numbers of bacteria in the flora were about the same, but the numbers of some of the various specific strains of bacteria were different (different proportions).Now Eric, you have posted vast numbers of pages here from studies in a seeming attempt to try to convince me of something. But that's a complete waste of your time. Let me remind you that this thread isn't about what I believe. It's about what you believe, and why it differs from what the IBS experts concluded in the study you earlier posted. You do believe they are IBS experts, don't you? Of course you do, because you yourself say that you only post accurate medical information from the world's IBS experts here. So did you email them yet to inform them that they are wrong when they say dysbacteriosis MAY be the "just cause" of IBS? Do hurry, I just can't wait to see their reply! Suggestion - Maybe you could email them the studies you posted here to convince them how wrong they are.... Sincerely,Captain Colon